Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #1 on Nov 3, 2009, 2:47pm »
This reminds me of some friends that work at the Renaissance Festival. One once said that anything she could do normally she could do in a bodice. And proceeded to do a cartwheel in skirt and leather bodice.
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #2 on Nov 3, 2009, 3:23pm »
To get downtown from my house, I go through a neighborhood where a lot of Somali and Eritrean immigrants live. Lots of Somali women & girls wear long dresses & veils. I used to bike commute, often in a skirt & flats, and almost every day if I hit "waiting-for-the-schoolbus" time, I would catch a glimpse of a little girl swathed in fabric pulling on her mom's hand and pointing at me. I can just imagine what they were saying - Mama, mama, I want a bike!
Around here I see skirted & veiled girls playing basketball and soccer all the time, and skirted and veiled women on exercise bikes & treadmills, or lifting weights at the Y. They definitely can do it.
On the other hand, I had an online friend who grew up fundy and when they swam the girls had to wear long denim skirts, pinned together at the knees so they didn't rise up - she says it's a wonder they didn't drown
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #3 on Nov 3, 2009, 6:32pm »
Great post! I will never forget a church swimming party that we went to. First off, in the fundie culture, swimming in normal swimsuits with guys desperate for the site of a woman's body and completely repressed FEELS like you are COMPLETELY NAKED. Really. I was just wearing a normal swimsuit, but I really wish that I would have been wearing a ankle length dress, bag over my head, kind of get up. It's different than just going to the pool in summer.
Anyway, one lady wore and entire jumper over a t-shirt in the pool. It just looked so strange, but in her defense these poor repressed men who we were supposedly so visually aroused just sat around not able to complete sentences and googly eyed. It was so weird and surreal. They never had another swimming party again.
But I DO think that the emphasis on wearing modest clothing and the submissive extreme, makes more people think about sex than just looking like everybody else.
On the other hand, I had an online friend who grew up fundy and when they swam the girls had to wear long denim skirts, pinned together at the knees so they didn't rise up - she says it's a wonder they didn't drown
Sheesh... I wouldn't have bothered swimming at all. Even having to wear a cotton t-shirt while swimming at the fundie friends' home made me hate it. Excessive clothing--and cotton!--just drags you down.
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #5 on Nov 4, 2009, 10:15am »
Sierra-
I noticed you mentioned William Branham. Did you attend one of his churches?
The reason that I ask is that most people don't even know who he is when my hubby and I mention the name.
You see, my hubby grew up in Branham church here in the states. He knew nothing different until I came along and challenged his beliefs. He went to the church in MYC, headed up by Joseph Coleman, who was directly trained by Branham himself!
We don't often find people that have come out of the Branham cult, so it was very interesting that you mentioned him.
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #6 on Nov 4, 2009, 11:16am »
My church only allowed us to swim with other women and young children (the point at which little boys were considered "young men" and thus excluded was always a point of contention...). Even so, we had to wear "swim dresses" - we often made these ourselves out of swimsuit material with little weights sewn into the hem to keep the skirt down underwater. Often they had sleeves, which I hated because of the "farmer's tan" I would get from them. If we didn't have proper swim dresses, we had to cover up with T-shirts and thin cotton jumpers. After a while most of the girls gave up the pretense of actually swimming and just bathed in the water. This didn't satisfy me, either!
Erika - I went to a "Message" church that formed after Branham's death, but we still occasionally listened to his tapes at church and the pastor read from his printed sermons the way he read passages from the Bible. We were expected to listen and read more of Branham's work at home, and my mom had a full library of all 1100 sermons in our basement. When I listened, I always picked the ones that had "love" in the title or were only an hour long - but sometimes I felt guilty and listened to the 4-hour sermons wherein Jezebel whores were condemned and the "mysteries" of Revelations explained in Branhamic terms.
During my first year in college, my church took a trip to Arizona to the Tucson Tabernacle and Sabino Canyon, which is where I think Branham claimed to receive the revelation of the seven seals. I was really turned off by the whole experience and felt distinctly that I wanted to be back in college, pronto. I hated the thought that we were on some kind of Branhamist pilgrimmage and the atmosphere in the church was just so creepy. It was filled with Branham artifacts and it stood in a shady part of town with a huge chainlink fence around it. I was so uncomfortable in my own church that visiting others where the girls had even stricter dress codes and were even more entrenched in Branham's biographical minutiae made me feel sick. The only reason I consented to go on the trip at all was the opportunity to see Arizona (which, after all, was pretty cool).
I haven't found many ex-Branham followers willing to talk about their experiences online, partly I think because the Branham followers have such a strong web presence and are likely to viciously attack anyone who does speak out. Before I found No Longer Quivering, I visited the website of John Kennah, a former Branham follower who created his site and forum in order to debunk Branham's claims (for example, the "Cloud" story). The forums were fairly busy, but as Kennah himself still maintained an evangelical persuasion, the tone of the forums was still far too churchy for me.
I'm a mite concerned now because I tried to link to Kennah's site and found it's no longer at its original address. The site may have been moved, but a Google search doesn't seem to turn up its new location. I must admit being a bit nervous talking about Branham as I don't trust his followers not to sabotage or attack those who have left and are speaking out. I knew only one kid who left - the eldest son of our pastor - and he spiralled down into a horrible depression, having no support system outside of his family. As he still lives with them, it's even harder.
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #7 on Nov 6, 2009, 10:39am »
Sierra, you rock. I wouldn't attempt to play football in pants, never mind a skirt.
Posted by sierra on Nov 4, 2009, 10:16am Quote:
Even so, we had to wear "swim dresses" - we often made these ourselves out of swimsuit material with little weights sewn into the hem to keep the skirt down underwater. Often they had sleeves, which I hated because of the "farmer's tan" I would get from them.
And, fer cryin' out loud, swimming is a necessary safety skill. Every kid should learn the basics. That's going to be tough to do in a dress. What's wrong with these people?
Re: Anything you can do, I can do in a skirt! « Reply #8 on Sept 12, 2012, 5:08am »
you write a lot of hogwash my sister i hope your source of inspiration will stand with you when thetide turns around.For now you are free to write whatever suits you and your disciples on this page time will tell exactly where you get you inspiration
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If we didn't have proper swim dresses, we had to cover up with T-shirts and thin cotton jumpers. After a while most of the girls gave up the pretense of actually swimming and just bathed in the water. This didn't satisfy me, either!