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Re: Christian Dominionism ~ Part 1 « Reply #1 on Nov 2, 2009, 2:25pm »
so, I have a spelling question... I notice that a number of you are spelling the word as "Quiverful" with just one "l." I do it with two. I was thinking 2 along the lines of having a "full quiver." Is that wrong?
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Re: Christian Dominionism ~ Part 1 « Reply #2 on Nov 2, 2009, 2:32pm »
I live about 20 minutes from the Duggars. I went to the mall one day and TLC was there. They asked me to ask the Duggars a question on camera. I got tongue tied and couldn't think of anything nice to say, so I refused, but it did inspire me to go home and write a very personal post about how the fundamentalist movement has harmed me personally.
They are nice, but they are kind of robots. On television, you don't see one of them with an original thought different from what their parents think. But that's okay, because individuality is not from God, right? :S
They are nice, but they are kind of robots. On television, you don't see one of them with an original thought different from what their parents think. But that's okay, because individuality is not from God, right? :S
Yeah, I agree. Although I would say... Having taught college level courses and been through college some time ago, I would say that *many* young people tend to agree with their parents about almost everything at least until they're a couple of years into living apart. The Duggars and QF families show us an extreme form of discouragment, but I don't think we're great at fostering independent thought as a society. I also find it troubling that *more* people don't find this objectionable in the show.
Anyway... For a televised family like that, I would think the pressure would be even stronger than what many have described here about the pressure to keep up appearances. And I have to wonder how many of them will eventually escape? *I* could not last very long in a family that thinks Fireproof is the greatest achievement in film of the past ten years or so, but then... I never fit in anywhere very easily.
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Re: Christian Dominionism ~ Part 1 « Reply #5 on Nov 2, 2009, 2:45pm »
But as I alluded in the post, I also have trouble with the fact that this show is done in such a bloody apolitical way. I mean, *why* doesn't the film crew examine ATIA's teachings more critically? I honestly don't think the family speaks for itself. How could you know that they've been influenced by a guy who thought LGBT people should be executed at the hands of the Christian theocratic state (Rushdoony)? I mean, they don't really talk about it. They mostly discuss things in ways that show them in a very positive light. So, why can't the team that produces this show take a more documentary-like approach and do some of their own investigating? It gives me chills when I run into progressive people who comment about how much they like the Duggars because of how kind and quaint and loving it all seems.
But as I alluded in the post, I also have trouble with the fact that this show is done in such a bloody apolitical way. I mean, *why* doesn't the film crew examine ATIA's teachings more critically? I honestly don't think the family speaks for itself.
I completely agree. My parents loved Bill Gothard. The man makes me sick to my stomach. People say religion is harmless and to each his own, but what dominionists want to do is NOT harmless: not harmless to those who believe it and not harmless to the Constitution of this country.
They are nice, but they are kind of robots. On television, you don't see one of them with an original thought different from what their parents think. But that's okay, because individuality is not from God, right? :S
Yeah, I agree. Although I would say... Having taught college level courses and been through college some time ago, I would say that *many* young people tend to agree with their parents about almost everything at least until they're a couple of years into living apart. The Duggars and QF families show us an extreme form of discouragment, but I don't think we're great at fostering independent thought as a society. I also find it troubling that *more* people don't find this objectionable in the show.
Anyway... For a televised family like that, I would think the pressure would be even stronger than what many have described here about the pressure to keep up appearances. And I have to wonder how many of them will eventually escape? *I* could not last very long in a family that thinks Fireproof is the greatest achievement in film of the past ten years or so, but then... I never fit in anywhere very easily.
Reading the blogs of the older daughters in QF families they all sound exactly the same. It's all craft, cooking and what a blessing everything is. All the favorite films listed are the same, the favorite books.
Reading the blogs of the older daughters in QF families they all sound exactly the same. It's all craft, cooking and what a blessing everything is. All the favorite films listed are the same, the favorite books.
I know, right? Someone *please* familiarize them with decent cinema. I mean, Fireproof??? Kirk Cameron??? Argh.
You know, honestly, I can't believe I was ever attracted to this lifestyle. I mean, I have never liked crafts. I once thought that I *should* like them more, and one of my homeschooled friends gave me her curriculum for learning to sew. I was very earnest when I borrowed them, yes indeed, but I never managed to crack the first page.
Not that there's anything wrong with being crafty... I know it's useful. Just absolutely Not My Thing.
Reading the blogs of the older daughters in QF families they all sound exactly the same. It's all craft, cooking and what a blessing everything is. All the favorite films listed are the same, the favorite books.
I know, right? Someone *please* familiarize them with decent cinema. I mean, Fireproof??? Kirk Cameron??? Argh.
You know, honestly, I can't believe I was ever attracted to this lifestyle. I mean, I have never liked crafts. I once thought that I *should* like them more, and one of my homeschooled friends gave me her curriculum for learning to sew. I was very earnest when I borrowed them, yes indeed, but I never managed to crack the first page.
Not that there's anything wrong with being crafty... I know it's useful. Just absolutely Not My Thing.
I am completely non crafty. I did cross stitch for a while.. I liked to design my own patterns. And once I knitted something. But that was all trying to fit in, do something that was acceptable. Since leaving that world I have done no craft. It's just not my thing.
And re the blogs, I notice that there are always a few non-christian movies listed by these young women.. A Princess Bride, The Sound of Music.. always it's the same ones. It is creepy and weird. I mean people do NOT like only the same thing.
And there is nothing better than singing The sound of Music at the top of your lungs with friends after having a few drinks. Lol.
LOL! I haven't ever done it after drinking, but is it sad and pathetic that even though I am no longer a fundamentalist (though never as extreme as being part of quiverful) that I still like Sound of Music? And, uh, I kind of REALLY like Princess Bride. I'm a nerd.
Re: Christian Dominionism ~ Part 1 « Reply #19 on Nov 2, 2009, 11:54pm »
Wow ~ great post; very extensive! I am really looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks for doing all of this research ~ what a fantastic resource.
LOL! I haven't ever done it after drinking, but is it sad and pathetic that even though I am no longer a fundamentalist (though never as extreme as being part of quiverful) that I still like Sound of Music? And, uh, I kind of REALLY like Princess Bride. I'm a nerd.
Wow ~ great post; very extensive! I am really looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks for doing all of this research ~ what a fantastic resource.
I meant to thank you for saying this. Honestly, though, it really didn't require that much research because I have a habit of researching this stuff in my spare time just because it scares me... After 8 Bush years and seeing what it's like for the Dominionists to control every level of government, it *really* scares me. I used to think they were just a fringe group, and large segments of the population would never take them seriously. But I honestly don't feel like I'm...quite so naive about it anymore. Of course, I could probably stand to have a healthier and happier way of spending my free time. Y'all must *really help me* not to get super-involved with Free Ginger, 'cause I could seriously become one of those people who's All Dominionism All the Time. I try to keep myself limited to a small number of forums so I can get some sleep and have some perspective.
There's nothing wrong with any of those movies it's just the lack of variety that is striking.
Almost like they had a convention to decide what's acceptable and godly and what isn't. Creepy because of the extreme uniformity.
It's called "Plugged In" by Focus on the Family. There are other "Christian" review sites, too, and I think Family Life Today had a radio blurb about movies (though it's been so long, I could be wrong about that). Not a convention exactly, but close enough. Then there is some kind of Christian film festival every year in Texas.
Wow ~ great post; very extensive! I am really looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks for doing all of this research ~ what a fantastic resource.
I meant to thank you for saying this. Honestly, though, it really didn't require that much research because I have a habit of researching this stuff in my spare time just because it scares me... After 8 Bush years and seeing what it's like for the Dominionists to control every level of government, it *really* scares me. I used to think they were just a fringe group, and large segments of the population would never take them seriously. But I honestly don't feel like I'm...quite so naive about it anymore. Of course, I could probably stand to have a healthier and happier way of spending my free time. Y'all must *really help me* not to get super-involved with Free Ginger, 'cause I could seriously become one of those people who's All Dominionism All the Time. I try to keep myself limited to a small number of forums so I can get some sleep and have some perspective.
lol! I do, too! I get so disgusted by how nicely TLC portrays it that I can't help but make snarky comments wherever I go! That, and I want to know what I'm reading when I read the book that the one who breaks away publishes someday!
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