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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Oct 30, 2009 20:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by sargassosea on Nov 1, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by xara on Nov 1, 2009 22:15:58 GMT -5
All that music! Good for you for saving what you could.
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Post by nightowl on Nov 1, 2009 22:18:39 GMT -5
I'm still getting Vycki's message on a blank page??
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Post by xara on Nov 1, 2009 22:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Nov 1, 2009 22:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Nov 1, 2009 22:24:52 GMT -5
Try this ~ I'll try to figure out what the problem is ... Okay ~ I just figured it out ~ this'll require a bit of extra work for sargassosea ~ bummer. Well ~ I said there might be glitches and we'll just deal with it, huh? LOL
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Post by nightowl on Nov 1, 2009 22:29:46 GMT -5
Ok! I got it with the 2nd link. Thanks!!
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Post by km on Nov 1, 2009 23:22:59 GMT -5
As most fundamentalists are taught, if it’s not good for you, then it’s not good for anyone. Instead of selling those albums, they had to be destroyed. Lately, I've been trying to sell all my music from the fundie years on E-bay and wondering how that rule works in retrospect. If it's not good for me, then... Well, I'd rather make a buck. My dad did the exact same thing in college. He had original Beatles records that would likely be worth a small fortune now. Makes me sick to think about that now. (A clarification: I've said I didn't grow up QF, and I didn't... My parents went through fundie phases, though, that started in their college years and lasted through my early childhood.)
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Post by km on Nov 1, 2009 23:33:18 GMT -5
By the way, as a kind of First Amendment fanatic, it always scares me when people become *violent* toward books and media. Maybe it's just that I was scarred early on from images in Fahrenheit 451 or 1984, but... Let's just say I worried when masses of people started destroying Dixie Chicks' CD's. That kind of paranoia can't be good for individuals, let alone for societies.
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Post by xara on Nov 1, 2009 23:38:55 GMT -5
By the way, as a kind of First Amendment fanatic, it always scares me when people become *violent* toward books and media. Maybe it's just that I was scarred early on from images in Fahrenheit 451 or 1984, but... Let's just say I worried when masses of people started destroying Dixie Chicks' CD's. That kind of paranoia can't be good for individuals, let alone for societies. Agreed. I love books and music. I consider books to be sacred. Even ones I don't like. Back in college there was one text book that I absolutely LOATHED. We referred to it as the Evil Purple Book. At the end of the semester I thought about burning it on the rock outside the the student union, but couldn't bring myself to do it. Ended up selling it back for $1. I think I had paid like $70 for it used. And it was originally published in 1956 and they were using it in 1990 so you know they made a mint off of it. But I just couldn't destroy it. But I had to get it out of MY life.
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Post by arietty on Nov 2, 2009 4:52:04 GMT -5
There is so much I could say about music.. I was in a very abusive relationship and not really allowed any music. Even the praise and worship music I would listen to my husband would trash. I went into that marriage with no actual music so I had nothing to get rid of when I descended into fundamentalism (unlike books). But I missed out on a whole era of a music, an era I was attracted to (the 80's +) but could not access.
I made up for it by going insane buying music once I was out of all that. OMG I bought so much music..
Have your parents returned to any of their old music Erika?
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Post by Sierra on Nov 2, 2009 5:04:56 GMT -5
Individuals in my church liked to make exceptions for nostalgic songs they remembered from their worldly childhoods, and sometimes country music (really showing their political colours, despite actively disavowing American politics). So I was exposed to a fair amount of pop and rock songs from the 60s and 70s, but I wasn't allowed to listen to anything contemporary. It wasn't so much my mom enforcing this as the church at large, but I still felt compelled to bury my guilty Billy Joel MP3s in a deliberately misnamed folder in my own computer and was completely unaware of 1990s musical trends. My cousins had Backstreet Boys CDs that I coveted even as I felt incredibly guilty about it. The parents used to complain about the horrid worldly music at the skating rink I attended weekly, but I secretly reveled in the ability to move to music that didn't say anything about God. I could never buy into the idea that songs about love and peace were inspired by Satan - I insisted, without telling anyone of this conviction - that artists had their own creative spark and were more than puppets used by spirits to replicate themselves. There was also the existential problem of demons being infinitely multiplied by the number of radio sets tuned into the same songs at one time - was that just one demon infinitely expanding, or were there lots of demons that got newly created every time somebody turned on the radio? ;D
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Post by km on Nov 2, 2009 9:29:09 GMT -5
So, this is something that I'm always curious about because my own parents sheltered me from much of what was happening in popular culture during their charismatic years... Do some of you find that you're missing entire eras of what happened in popular culture? For me, it's the '80's and early '90's that are totally missing from my consciousness. So, I often come up blank when people my own age make cultural references to things that happened during those years. And I *still* get on my parents for not letting me watch Dirty Dancing when it was The Big Thing that all the kids in school were talking about.
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Post by kay on Nov 2, 2009 11:23:32 GMT -5
When I was a teenager, I remember my best friend and I bought an Eminem CD. We listened to it all the time in her car and knew the words to every song. One day her dad (a preacher) got in to the car and found the CD. He chastised her and immediately made her get rid of it (she gave it to me, since my family would allow me to listen to that "ungodly" music). It's unfortunate that many religious families want to censor their children from anything they see as aversive.
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Post by kisekileia on Nov 2, 2009 11:31:14 GMT -5
My parents didn't force me to only listen to Christian stuff, but I didn't allow myself secular music from ages 12-17. I wrestled with my conscience over listening to U2 once I started university, and they're pretty heavily Christian-influenced! I'm glad I have a greater sense of freedom about music now.
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Post by calulu on Nov 2, 2009 11:44:22 GMT -5
My daughter decided at 13 years old to toss her NSync and Britney Spears and "worldly" music. I could tell she was conflicted about it and it was from pressure at youth group so I had her give me her Cds and told her I was going to throw them away. I stuck them in a box in the attic. Years later when she left the church I gave her the box back. She was happy I'd ignored her instructions to throw them away.
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Post by xara on Nov 2, 2009 11:47:15 GMT -5
My daughter decided at 13 years old to toss her NSync and Britney Spears and "worldly" music. I could tell she was conflicted about it and it was from pressure at youth group so I had her give me her Cds and told her I was going to throw them away. I stuck them in a box in the attic. Years later when she left the church I gave her the box back. She was happy I'd ignored her instructions to throw them away. You are a good parent. Though I question her taste in music
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Post by calulu on Nov 2, 2009 12:19:52 GMT -5
Almost everyone has questionable taste in music at 13. But I remembered how overjoyed I was to find a Donny Osmond CD as a grownup and knew she's someday want her old teenybopper music. Bad music and early adolescence go hand in hand.
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Post by Sierra on Nov 2, 2009 12:53:08 GMT -5
A few more points/stories: 1. Bad taste in adolescence - I thought Richard Marx's "Right Here Waiting" was the ultimate love song and had a decided guilty obsession with the Backstreet Boys. Thing was, they represented more to me than just music - they were the stuff of a generation and I knew I was missing that generation. 2. So yes, I knew I missed an era, and I actually spent a year in college educating myself via Google about pop culture references and music I'd missed. Today, if I hear a pop culture reference I don't get, most of the time I nod and smile, then stash away the thought for private Googling later. This is much the same way I taught myself about sex as a teenager. The great thing about college is you can pick up on everyone else's nostalgia after a while - go to enough college parties and you realise what the hit songs were when you were all teens. Then you can pretend you knew about it all along. ;D 3. Another story: When I was 11, my family had just got the internet for the first time and my pastor's daughter friend and I were emailing pretty regularly. I liked to listen to MIDIs since MP3s were still unheard of, and I ran into one on a website that struck me as the strangest melody I'd ever heard. It was pretty catchy, though, so I emailed it to my friend with the subject line, "The Weirdest MIDI in the World!" The next day I got a very sober email back from her address, from her father. He had been reading all of our correspondence and told me in no uncertain terms that Hotel California was a "rock and roll" song and he would not have it in his house. He also sternly instructed that I talk to my mother about this, since I was not being adequately supervised and had come in contact with Satan on the internet. Chastised, frustrated and embarrassed, all I wanted to do was delete the stupid MIDI and his email and forget I ever found it. But I obediently called my mother to read the email. She said he was overreacting and walked away. I never listened to that song with a clear conscience again (even today, it weirds me out).
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Post by sandra on Nov 2, 2009 14:05:58 GMT -5
Am I missing eras of social history? Omigosh, yes!! I grew up in Baptist and faux baptist churches in the 70's and my dad was always the pastor or music director or some church mucky-muck. Even though my parents were very restrictive by belief, they were even more restrictive because "everyone looks to us for an example". I'm sure you all know the drill. I am only grateful that I grew up before Gothard and LaHaye, et al, really got up to steam.
Anyway, I missed the whole Classic Rock era and all the best movies that changed the face of Hollywood--I still haven't seen all the Star Wars movies (I think they lose something when you see them so much later than the rest of society!) and I don't know hardly any words to 70's and 80's music despite it being my favorite genre. Maybe you lose the ability to unconsciously memorize song lyrics after a certain age
When my husband and I decided to homeschool (entirely for NOT religious reasons), it was HUGE on my list of priorities that my girls not ever feel cut off from their own culture. Thankfully, they really think the Jonas Brothers are dorks and Hannah Montana is oversold so I don't have to put up with that myself. At least my girls know that they are weird by their own choice not mine!
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Post by km on Nov 2, 2009 14:18:13 GMT -5
I agree that the Star Wars movies lose something when you see them for the first time at least a couple of decades later, as I did as well...
And I *love* Hotel California, though I think it really is about some Satan-worshipers that one of the members took up with for a while... I'm not bothered by that, but I know that that particular song makes a lot of Christian Right people squirm. To me, it just sounds like summer.
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Post by km on Nov 2, 2009 14:20:04 GMT -5
So does Dirty Dancing when you see it for the first time in your 20's. It just seems stupid, as in, "wtf?? Nobody puts Baby in a corner??? Who wrote this dialogue?"
We were so caught up with listening to evangelical music that I didn't share my generation's love for Michael Jackson either. I mean, he kinda wrote the soundtrack of the '80's... You couldn't go to the mall and *not* hear his music, but still... I feel like I missed a lot.
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Post by km on Nov 2, 2009 14:28:11 GMT -5
And I completely missed out on the movies other kids my age were seeing--The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, etc. I saw them all as an adult, and the thing is, they just aren't as great when you're not at the right age. When my peers express such love/nostalgia for those movies, I just smile and nod.
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Post by gloriamarilyn on Nov 2, 2009 14:31:34 GMT -5
I absolutely feel like I missed out on alot of things.
My husband will mention something that was big in the 80's & 90's, and my eyes will glaze over, as I remind him of the CULTURE GAP!! I've tried catching up on stuff, but there's many things that I just can't identify with.... it SUCKS!
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