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Post by rosa on Apr 12, 2010 9:51:33 GMT -5
So it's a combination of practical (who will help you?) with community pressure (shunning - did you all see divorced women shunned, before you got divorced yourselves?) and then Scripture on top of it. Or I guess fake Scripture - that "this is a sin you can't commit" thing isn't in the Bible, is it?
It's an amazingly effective bludgeon. I wonder what it's building on - I think KR's linking of it to growing up with alcoholism in the family is a really interesting link (and of course you get that same factor in Vyckie's story), but abuse/addiction can't be the only thing that makes people vulnerable, because it's not universal in these stories.
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Post by rosa on Apr 12, 2010 9:52:25 GMT -5
Is suicide considered a sin, or talked about, in these groups? I know in the churches I grew up in, it was just considered a tragedy, like an accidental death.
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Post by usotsuki on Apr 12, 2010 10:52:15 GMT -5
Among the groups I grew up with, suicide was considered both murder and "blasphemy of the holy spirit".
Can't vouch for anyone else here though.
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Post by humbletigger on Apr 12, 2010 12:39:38 GMT -5
" Feminism is about offering women choices about how to live our lives. And that scares a lot of people. " I would like to edit that word "offering" out of there and adding the word "making" right after the word "women". Feminism is about women MAKING choices about how to live our lives. And that scares a lot of people. If you wait for someone to offer you a choice, it could be a while. I am reading a book God of the Possible by Gregory Boyd about open theism. Excellent book. I feel more responsible for the choices I make, more responsible to love others, more responsible pray for others, and more responsible to LIVE after reading this book. My marriage has been troubled for many years. When I bought into the "woman submit" stuff, even half-heartedly, things got worse. It was bad for everyone. But when I stood up for myself, things got better not just for me but my whole family. I believe it's what God wanted all along! I am not divorcing, but I COULD! I could and not feel guilty at all, if my husband was not in counseling and doing the work needed to heal. (Loved the ACoA reference way back there.) Not only that, if my husband returns to being abusive, it is my obligation to say NO! I was not created to be abused! Thanks for the opportunity to write that in a public forum! It was so liberating!
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Post by xara on Apr 12, 2010 13:10:37 GMT -5
" Feminism is about offering women choices about how to live our lives. And that scares a lot of people. " I would like to edit that word "offering" out of there and adding the word "making" right after the word "women". Feminism is about women MAKING choices about how to live our lives. And that scares a lot of people. If you wait for someone to offer you a choice, it could be a while. I meant that as more along the lines of feminism is about women making choices for ourselves and creating more options for other women and creating more viable choices. But it still scares a lot of people. You are right in that no one gives anyone rights. People can only claim rights for themselves. And it is up to each of us to defend our rights to be who we want to be.
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Post by humbletigger on Apr 14, 2010 15:30:59 GMT -5
Yep, yep. n_n
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Post by mickee on Apr 28, 2010 10:29:29 GMT -5
I have been reading each woman's entries in their series on No Longer Qivering and I find them all quite intriguing. I keep waiting for the next installments! ;D
And I have so many questions.........
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