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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 18:29:36 GMT -5
"The Bible says that “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft…” God WANTS occasional rebellion and there are several Biblical role models for this. God WANTS justice and fairness.
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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 17:37:52 GMT -5
I thought these movements and families subjugated women? "All the responsibility and none of the decision making power" to paraphrase an earlier comment from someone making a different point somewhere else in this discussion? And did you not yourself refer to her as "a broodmare"? I am a new member, you are a senior member. Page after page of discussion on this thread and it seems my comments are bringing out your worst.
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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 17:04:49 GMT -5
I think Michelle Duggar has attributes that would have made her a fine Branch Davidian, and therefore I have no vitriol for her. I have vitriol for these types of movements and their leaderships... but the numbers of regular, sane, ordinary, reasonably intelligent people who get sucked into these things and thereafter lead bizarre lives is something to consider.
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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 16:53:21 GMT -5
I am not the one who called anyone a broodmare.
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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 14:10:21 GMT -5
Moderator and Administrator, please accept this compliment to your skill, insight and fairness. You have demonstrated supreme "people skills" by acting in the interest of fairness to individual commentors and the of the flow of discussion. Please forgive this off-topic comment, but I am just so impressed at how you have balanced both fairness and future discussions. This is something I seldom see.
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Post by meganl on Apr 29, 2010 13:56:47 GMT -5
I read several of the comments above... I am uncomfortable with the criticism of the Duggar family, most of it being centered on Michelle. I do not believe anything of any worth can be accomplished by criticizing Michelle in particular. Some of this has been rather derogatory, one commenter, a female as well, referring to this woman as "a broodmare" - here where we are all in the process of questioning and aligning ourselves against patriarchy in religion and the family, is anything worthy accomplished by criticizing a mother, blaming a mother, making dehumanizing references to another woman ? Criticize Michelle less ... and focus on media and image manipulation more.
Michelle presents a calm and appealing face to the camera for her television audience; she is upholding her role, yet another role mind you, as a television celebrity as valiantly as can be expected- and many celebrities become masterful at hiding the chaos of their personal lives to put a good appearance before the camera. She is doing a masterful job of CONCEALING PERSONAL PRESSURES BEHIND A CHARISMATIC MASK OF CALM, for the benefit of her family image as a celebrity family, and for her audience who have come to expect this of her. She is fulfilling expectations. Yet more expectations. Who among us is to know what hell she is really experiencing? Who among us is feeling self-righteous enough to criticize how she faces this additional pressure? Do we know her well enough as a person to know whether or not she WANTS this celebrity and this pressure in her life, did she want it in the FIRST place, or is she caught up in fulfilling more needs of others? We are right to resent the media-created image of Michelle, presented as being a higher standard of motherhood and womanhood to admire and aspire to. But give some thought to the real person - not "a broodmare" - who is being used to create this image.
I believe instead the criticism would be more constructive if directed at the television presentation of the Duggar family, and the transformation of them into celebrities. If it were not for this celebrity they would not have attracted the attention of the folks who now plan to present Michelle with this award. I am uncomfortable with the continuing identification of this family as part of the Quiverfull Movement, when they have repeatedly stated they are NOT. Considering this, I am uncomfortable with Michelle accepting this award. She has until June or July, I would hope she declines.
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