Then Bill O'Reilly rants about how "we" are stealing Christmas just because we don't all want a creche in the town square. I don't mind--as long as I can observe my holidays there too. It might get a little crowded on overlapping holy days though.
Really, they have a protection racket going. But once people actually come out of their enclaves and interact with the mainstream they'll find out that even us gay, bi and trans people don't want to steal their faith away. We just want to coexist in peace.
"We have fallen into the place where everything is music." --Rumi
Heh - I read the "It's All About the Money" post and totally agree.
I think, that in the beginning, a lot of these people write books because they sincerely want to help people - and then something happens. They get fame and money, and they like the fame and money - these people like that other people are coming to them and asking them for their advice. They like it so much, that they feel like their advice has merit, that it is the truth and they start to believe their own hype. The people who write these books also really like the financial stability and the perks that the money and fame gives them, they probably justify it by saying they do the "Lord's Work".
Anyway, I have a funny "It's all about the money" story. My dad use to give money PTL & TBN until he got a brochure where one of the pictures was one of the children (I don't remember which child) riding a pony. My dad looked at that picture and thought to himself, "My kids don't have a pony" and never gave money to PTL or TBN again (LOL).
[quote author=orual Anyway, I have a funny "It's all about the money" story. My dad use to give money PTL & TBN until he got a brochure where one of the pictures was one of the children (I don't remember which child) riding a pony. My dad looked at that picture and thought to himself, "My kids don't have a pony" and never gave money to PTL or TBN again (LOL).
That is priceless. And so to the point!
Indeed rather than buying books about family values spend the money on pizza or going to the movies with your kids.
I just wanted to let you know I really liked this post. For a lot of people it is about money and "power" over other people. Personally I think power comes from within but a lot of people don't get that.
I also don't mind people making an honest living. I don't mind people selling their labor. I long ago accepted the reality that I am a corporate whore. I just sell my brain and programming skills rather than my body. I don't have a problem with anyone making a living, but I do think that manufacturing fear is wrong. Especially if someone is doing it to make a buck.
Post by peaceofchange on Sept 23, 2009 6:08:13 GMT -5
This may seem a little random, but I'm curious about your ex... has he been able to move on and recover as well as you have? Has he listened to you about what you've learned and found some balance in his life? Does he visit with the children?
It looks/sounds like your children are thriving. Have they suffered from things like post traumatic stress or have they been pretty resilient? I know Angel suffered a alot, how about the others?
Hope this doesn't seem nosey. We were involved in a similar situation short term and I have seen the effects...especially on my older children. Just wondering how much harder it must be on those who were involved for so long and so "thoroughly".
Well, I'm strongly 'anti-capitalist' [was communist/socialist for years, still lean that way, but left when confronted with the 'selling out' of women and their alliances with other types of fundamentalism--so in That regard, some of the warnings by the far right--are NOT off the mark, just ask some of the commie women rotting and being gang raped in Iran's prisons, give you a bit of a clue there],
but I will say, that there is, at least in the West [not so much for Christianity in the East and that Should be noted], that there is, yes, a lot in regards to 'money', or Corporatism [to the right side of it]. And yes, that whole patriot love of war thing too .
You can confront patriarchy--within the Christian right, that will raise some eyebrows,
bring up the history of imperialism or our policies [and they ARE horrid, I'm very Vocal on those, much so] and the fact that the majority of our wealth IS based on the exploiting of other nations/particularly labor,
and you will find lynch mobs, literally.
And I do believe, that yes, many of the so called ministries and books, are about money--for profit. I find it interesting however, that Paul, clearly warned against this, as well as the warnings against those, who use 'scriptures' to gain profit. [though you won't hear those aspects discussed no a days]
and, ironically, Marx's ole saying, about 'distributing according to one's needs', is actually, borrowed from the Bible, in Acts.
But in all fairness, this isn't just a Christian trait, this is a cultural-American trait...and even socialism,
is not even true socialism anymore, its more, Corporatism, on a global scale, which is, yes, more capitalist in nature. So, I think, in judging the differences there,
there seems to be, more in common, at least where I see it, where money is concerned, that different, between the Christian Right and between Liberals, non-Christians, etc.,
proof, we buy chocolate made by child slaves, cotton picked by slaves-child slaves, clothes made by slaves, car products made by slaves [and in some of the most horrid concentration type camps], we have normalized prostitution [never mind the Millions of children trafficked], porn [again, children and women and war porn] and elitism and the whole nine yards there,
its Not a Christian thing,
its an American and European one. [and the whole let every one be--cultural relativism, is Just as hypocritical, when in socialist countries they will bend over backwards, to kiss the ass of fundies who kill, rape, dismember women, in the name of religion]
in other words, its All bull, so its not just the Christian right--it is global, it is everywhere, and why, you can't single these ills out, in just one group.