kathe
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Post by kathe on Sept 25, 2010 1:04:45 GMT -5
Does purple eye liner instead of blue eye shadow make me enough of a heathen to count? I looked at the website with the camp pictures - it reminded me of an experience my daughter had when she was in college. She was on a friend's campus when there was some kind of home school convention going on. My free spirit art major daughter was incensed that "the girls are all wearing these fugly gross long dresses and the guys get to wear anything they want!" Apparently the female costume consisted mainly of shapeless dresses while the guys were wearing jeans and name brand tshirts. She had never experienced anything like that. I was proud of her indignation.
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Post by Sierra on Sept 25, 2010 8:52:30 GMT -5
Whiteclover, that raises another question. How could a "beef heifer" be a "good mammy to her calves"? She won't have any calves, will she? Doesn't "beef heifer" mean she'll be killed before she has a chance to breed? Or is this my ignorance showing? I think Branham was using "beef" as an expression - albeit perhaps an ignorant one - to say that the heifer looked like "good stock," or that she had lots of meat on her bones because she was docile and wouldn't run around and lose weight. Yes, it's doubtful that this conversation with "Jeff the rancher" ever happened, or happened as Branham told it. But I think we can all agree that what's really disgusting is not Branham's ignorance of cattle ranching, but the fact that he was advising young men to seek out a woman to marry as though they were buying livestock. The reason I added the segment about Branham being disgusted with women who wore makeup is to demonstrate that what we're dealing with here is garden-variety misogyny. It's of the same sort you'd hear from jerks in a bar: these men are terrified that they'll somehow accidentally wind up dating/courting/marrying/sleeping with an ugly woman. So they forbid all the women they can influence not to wear makeup, so that they can sort out the pretty vs. ugly ones and know that there won't be a "surprise" later when the makeup comes off. They resent women for using cosmetics to disguise flaws that would otherwise repulse them, and they couch it in terms of "God's will" so it won't be apparent how shallow they are. Indeed, if you listen to Message boys talk amongst themselves about immodest women, you'll notice that they aren't concerned about being tempted by the beautiful ones, they're upset at the arrogance of "fat chicks" who presume to show skin when "no one wants to see that." I failed, over and over again, to point out how cruel my friends were when they said things like this. They just looked at me, confused, and said, "We're not talking about YOU. YOU aren't like that." They couldn't grasp that it wasn't about me; I was upset at their attitude towards women in general.
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Post by whiteclover on Sept 25, 2010 10:39:23 GMT -5
] Whiteclover, that raises another question. How could a "beef heifer" be a "good mammy to her calves"? She won't have any calves, will she? Doesn't "beef heifer" mean she'll be killed before she has a chance to breed? Or is this my ignorance showing? I think Branham was using "beef" as an expression - albeit perhaps an ignorant one - to say that the heifer looked like "good stock," or that she had lots of meat on her bones because she was docile and wouldn't run around and lose weight. Yes, it's doubtful that this conversation with "Jeff the rancher" ever happened, or happened as Branham told it. But I think we can all agree that what's really disgusting is not Branham's ignorance of cattle ranching, but the fact that he was advising young men to seek out a woman to marry as though they were buying livestock. Some heifers are replacement heifers, indeed to become breeding stock for "making more beef." But eventually, after they've served their purpose become "kill cows" or "canner cows." My RancherMan had a chuckle over this. NO heifer would submit to such treatment, unless she was a dairy cow or had (his words) been messed with. In other words, been handled a fair bit. In actuality, for range cows to BE good mothers, they need a little bit of "wild eye." Or else, they'll just stand back and let their babies be taken by wolves or bears with nary a twitch. No fight. No resistance. Branham's ignorance is still a problem to me, as so many of these slick speakers know nothing about which they speak and hope their rapt audience is as ignorant as they are as they make comparisons and analogies that are untrue and make NO sense in real life. They capitalize on the "visual" so their hearers will think, "Ah, that's SO true." Subtly, they are sold the principle of having a docile (non-thinking and weak-willed) and dumb (silent) wife that will produce many offspring. No one questions the validity of the speaker. And, yeah, what Sierra said.
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Post by krwordgazer on Sept 25, 2010 13:40:10 GMT -5
I think Branham was using "beef" as an expression - albeit perhaps an ignorant one - to say that the heifer looked like "good stock," or that she had lots of meat on her bones because she was docile and wouldn't run around and lose weight. Yes, it's doubtful that this conversation with "Jeff the rancher" ever happened, or happened as Branham told it. But I think we can all agree that what's really disgusting is not Branham's ignorance of cattle ranching, but the fact that he was advising young men to seek out a woman to marry as though they were buying livestock. Yes, I certainly agree. However, Branham words are treated as the direct voice of God himself. Such a display of real human ignorance ought to be pointed out to Message members. Of course, they'll refuse to believe it. What poisonous little hypocrites. If they were really trying to live "holy" according to their own cult's standards, they wouldn't talk about what female flesh they want or don't want to see. They wouldn't want to see any. To them, all a woman is, is a piece of flesh.
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