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Post by coleslaw on May 28, 2009 22:09:57 GMT -5
I'm not picking apples out of an orchard. I picked a paragraph out of your one post (at that time) and noted how it fit the "Madonna-whore" dichotomy.
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Post by krwordgazer on May 28, 2009 23:36:41 GMT -5
Vick, Why do you fear conversation? You have the same mentality and structure as any cult leader would have. You prey on the weak and vulnerable and manipulate them into believing what YOU want them to believe. What makes you any difference then the men you speak so venomously about? No one's manipulating me into anything-- which is why in spite of Vyckie's request, I will step up to her defense. Sadtoseemisconcept, you siriusly don't have any idea what you're talking about. Now please go away and stop making unfounded accusations. You're not going to accomplish whatever purpose you think you have in posting here.
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Post by lucrezaborgia on May 30, 2009 18:22:38 GMT -5
While I do think that there is an anti-male bent on these boards, I think it's more specifically anti-patriarchy men who we discuss. What do you expect from the women here that have been so badly burned by the men in their lives? Outright attacking the people here isn't gonna change their opinions. I also don't think that anyone here is advocating matriarchy. What we all want is equality in all relationships, even in our relationship with god.
It's not like men aren't badly effected by this belief system. Imagine the strain placed on young men growing up who are expected to be perfect for god and to shoulder 100% of the responsibility for the family in the patriarchy lifestyle. What if a male does not want a family or wants a relationship where their wife is an equal partner? What then?
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Post by grandmalou on Jun 1, 2009 9:30:16 GMT -5
From Cousin Regina, who lives in Mexico...BTW...she was raised as Orthodox Jewish...her grandparents were killed in the holocaust.
"This type of male dominated abuse is common to any religion, cult, society, or sect that promotes male power over women. It is the ear mark of these groups who rely upon these organizations and religions to help them dominate. This is less common in Judaism, than in Christian or Muslim fundamentalist religions, but is can be found practiced by members of any religions, where men (patriarchal societies) isolate their women, removing them from the world of outside communication and involvement. Just to show that it is abuse at it's base, one can find this type of control and dominance without any religions affiliation. I had a girlfriend when I was young who had a husband that shut off her telephone, stopped visitors at the door, stopped the newspaper, and controlled any conversations she had with her parents, family, or friends. Eventually, she had to be "rescued" from this imprisonment, but not before she was physically abused for several years. She is happily remarried now to a wonderful man, for the last 25 years, who loves and respects her on an equal and intimate level. In societies that now only allow this type of abuse and dominance, which ultimately becomes psychological imprisonment, it should be seem as criminal behavior, and treated as such. Unfortunately, many cultures have not reached this level of understanding of this inhumane treatment of women. Women must not wait for someone to rescue them, they must gather up the strength to leave...escape. There are organizations all over the United States ready and willing to help. Call any hospital or social worker for referrals to these organizations." Regina M.
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