Hi,
I am new here...my situ is a bit reverse, I came from rebelling from Christianity, into radical Marxism and radical feminism, then back to Christ...
then, having to reconcile, all that I had gone through plus dealing with the truth of how far I fell away, how to reconcile all of that with the Lord and still have the consciousness of the abuses to women, because for years I worked in advocacy on behalf of women, international issues included, so I had a lot of awareness, and a LOT of rage, towards God that had and still is being dealt with.
Anyway, so, for me, I had to 'learn' how to submit or be a servant, because I was the exact opposite, and by that I mean, hardened, hateful, etc., because of abuse in my life, [from childhood on] and it had a lot to do with why I fell away, so, in this journey of healing, and reconciliation with Jesus,
I searched the Bible, and when I first came back to Jesus I was really pissed, when I read the Bible, because its real easy to take it literally. Especially where women are concerned and that is where I couldn't reconcile, and I remember one day asking God, alright, are you a misogynist or what?
I haven't gone back to any church, but I did start seeking fellowship online and I was appalled at what has been going on even in the mainstream of churches with this type of Taliban Christianity. And that didn't help matters either, so its been really, a hellish back and forth, between guilt, anger, rebellion, finding peace and going back again,
but, I do want to share here, maybe it will encourage and help, through this journey the Lord has opened up a lot to me, and it wasn't just through the Bible, but it was through studying Enoch [the book of, started reading], studying ancient Judaism [because my husband is Jewish] and studying ancient Mesopotamia Plus, studying ancient cultures, many of which,
are 'romanticized' today, as being more 'woman' friendly, nothing further from the truth on that one, and in fact, they were worse for women/girls than the Judaic culture, especially where temple shrines and forced prostitution and so forth, what is Interesting, is that these same beliefs and forces are still in operation today,
its what I term, the warfare of 'wounding them first and creating the need' and then, 'luring them into the snare'.
And oh, does it ever work,
anyway, one thing I wanted to say, in regards to the doing it all, and the woman having it all,
well, for starters, because I've lived that woman having it all life/single parent, that's true, a lot of what you said in that article IS true, and its part of that snare, I won't get into it here but there is a downfall to the 'myth' of the degender and the super woman, etc.
But, on the other side of the coin, there is a huge 'myth' and a huge misinterpretation of that whole Proverbs 31 woman AND with the whole thing about having lots of children...
I wrote on the Proverbs 31 woman a while back, I'll eventually edit it [still working on it] and post it here, but, I include it because there is one little bit of truth, in Proverbs 31 that correlates to the truth of the having many children,
that, is NOT in existence today, at least not in our culture and why trying to LIVE that lifestyle today, simply won't work.
Here's why, the Lord urged me to read Charlotte Perkins Gillman, and she nailed a lot of it in her analysis on the whole andro-centric 'male' patriarchy,
especially where consumerism is concerned, and I would say, 80% of the church today, is still in that mindset,
but, there is a Huge difference, between Tribal Patriarchy, such as was in the OT, and in Andro-centric/nuclear patriarchy, as we know it today.
Women in the OT could have that many children [but interestingly in those times THEY DIDN'T], because of the fact that there was polygamy AND concubinage, what in Judaism is also, known as Eved laws. So there were 'wet nurses',
it was yes, a brutal and hard existence for women, worse actually [fact, if you look at secular studies of ancient Mesopotamia] in other societies but still, hard for women, but in studying Judaism, there were certain things that existed then,
that don't exist today. So, to attempt to live this OT lifestyle, which to me, is what the Quiverfull and similar communal lifestyles [and same could be said of other types of secular and/or anarcho communist lifestyles or Essenes types] with an andro-centric patriarchy, simply, cannot and will not, ever work,
the elements simply are not there. Its like, when Jesus said, about putting new wine skins on old, they won't work because the new will stretch out the old,
that is what Quiverfull is like to me, or what it appears, and NOT just Quiverfull but many of these old traditions and gender roles, including even in some of the mainstream/modernist churches, are trying to do. Its like, taking some aspects that are for the benefit of males [and they so leave out the whole spectrum of responsibility AND the reality of even the males in that epoch],
while trying to throw in the benefits of modernization for women. Like, Adam, the sons of Adam, doing away with their part of the curse, throwing it on women's backs [and Marxists are just as guilty of this btw], while still demanding and insisting upon Eve and her daughters to carry her sentence [God didn't say curse] plus some....
no wonder, women today are literally dying spiritually. And physically...it simply cannot be done, and maybe this is why the more radical and extreme misogynist and traditionalist tyrannical societies are so violent against modernization, because they KNOW it is a real threat to their 'privilege, male privilege' that is.
There is, actually, an order to things, how God ordered them, but, how that 'order' has been used, by men, is way off the mark. In fact, what I have been finding out,
the patriarchal order, that is being preached, ready for this, is more along the lines, of what was the Order, of the system, the Laws, of Mesopotamia,
than that, of even Judaic law. Oh yea, shocker...but true, and I am finding more and more confirmations on this, as I study the ancient Egypt [under Ra] and ancient Sumeria, as well as Mayans, etc., [and what I am finding as for spiritual 'GLOBAL' similarities, are mind blowing to say the least,
and it puts Ephesians 5, in a whole other perspective.
The Days of Noah, is what Jesus said, would be, again, in the last days...well, what was going on in the Days of Noah? Violence, misogyny, and the Nephalim...the thing is,
the Judaic law, and this is something too that really blew me away, why Jesus said, to take goods the strongman's house has to be bound first, or the strongman first...I often wondered what He meant by that,
He wasn't talking about a house, He was talking about the 'spiritual order' of things, on this world, in this realm...and why God's laws, in the OT,
were the way they were...its really interesting, if you read, the laws of the ancients...and there IS a thread, through the entire thing, to today...
what is going on today, [and I know this probably sounds really crazy ok but I will, expand more later] and why the 'increase' in these traditional teachings OUTSIDE but related, ok, of the nationalist-dominion teachings
,
but what is going on today, and I see it, in the Quiverfull and similar movements, is not Christ, its the
restoration, of the laws and days of old, under the gods of Ra and similar.
Many may think this is crazy, but the scriptures show it...its hidden, but its all there.
There is a reason, why women are seeing and are coming OUT of these communities AND coming out or seeing the 'off the mark' in the church, there is more to it, than just what we see,
all in all, the Lord is showing me, that it was always about Love, that Revelations means just that,
the Revealing.
I am finding too, that submission, has been so warped, in its meaning, and this is just through reading the Word and through prayer...I will say, I have had to 'battle' the literal reading, when I read, that I've had to battle, the condemnation, and so many lies,
on a daily basis. While I have great loss because of the years I rebelled against the Lord, at the same time, God worked, in all that I was in, opening my eyes, you know having to learn the hard way, etc., not all that appears to be 'liberating' for women, is,
I know that, for a fact...same goes for liberation for the poor, oppressed, etc., the enemy is a shape shifter, why James, it says, God does not shift with the 'shadows',
the enemy and that whole structure, they Do shift, like shadows...and they are everywhere working in these days, and its going to get a lot worse.
to those who have ears let them hear...
but, Jesus, didn't call us, into bondage, He didn't call us, into living this impossible Proverbs 31 super woman, in an andro-centric male patriarchy that is nuclear, even if communal, there are differences in societies today,
there is hidden meanings, there...why, the Bible, is a Blueprint, not, the Salvation,
Jesus said, they seek the scriptures Thinking they'll find salvation but they miss it....
the Judaic laws, were similar to the Hammurabi's Code...
to take the house, one has to bind up the strong man...
that was the Order...and that Order is still there, it changes, modernizes, but its still there,
the 'key' is, how to work, under that order, and not be, destroyed by it. That is where, or what, Jesus meant,
not to love this world. The thing is though, there is weeds, that are and always have been, working, those dogs of circumcision as Paul so warned, in the day [and the wolves did come in and built the Institutions, that we know today]
that are working, to reestablish the dominion, and not the good kind. Interesting, when you look in dictionary, what dogs of circumcision means, when you start looking into the words,
dog=dogma.
Anyway, thought I'd share, I am finding a lot, and one thing I am finding, over and over and over,
God, is in no way, shape or form, a Misogynist, nor is Jesus, and what the 'dogs of circumcision' have set up as God's Law or God's Design,
is
anything
but.
That is why, Jesus said, 'this world is passing away, in Revelations, the old order, will pass away...the OLD ORDER...
I hope, if you all don't mind, I can share here, that it brings healing, because I am being healed too, my experience is different, like in the reverse, but its through that, that I am seeing things, in the Word,
that I just never saw before, and its a bit mind blowing, why I didn't see them before..but they are there.
and I know, there is a reason for it, and that there is healing...God is restoring Eve's daughters, the Last enemy, to be put down, is Death,
that means, before Death, there are some other 'enemies' to be put down...
its all around us, we just don't see it because of the veil, but God is removing the veil...the revealing. [but beware, the enemy, the 'shadows', are also, working, at full speed]
Jane