lectio
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Post by lectio on Sept 3, 2009 23:32:32 GMT -5
adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/you-get-one-life/Whoops. Forgot the link. (((hugs))) to you, philosophia, as you go through all of this. I am right there with ya, in the same boat (assuming I'm guessing correctly about what's going on with you), working to make all of this "official" in the eyes of the government... It's no fun...one step at a time, though... I am looking forward to just being done with it already... We only have one life to live. I do not want to spend another day with someone who cannot help but try to destroy me. There are things worth working through and fighting to be a part of, and there are things that are worth working and fighting to stay AWAY from. I'm so so so so sad that my kids have to experience all of this (and work very hard to try and shield them from as much as possible...as much as is possible)...but I know it's what has to be done out of all the lousy options I have right now... It just sucks all the same, though... I wish I could just hit a fast forward button and be done with it already...
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Post by hopewell on Sept 4, 2009 9:27:46 GMT -5
[Yes, I'm posting on this again!! ] Getting the word out about the lies the Duggars are living in front of the camera is very important. I have been a frequent poster at Television Without Pity's forum for the Duggar's "18 Kids and Counting" but was banned last week for suggesting it wasn't a good thing to call Jesus "Jeebus"...whatever... new forums emerge all the time to air the obvious "gloss" Jim-Bob puts on his family's beliefs. The Duggar's have added another QF family, the Bates, to their show. They have just had their 17th--and the mother had a very truamatic birth experience if some of the TWOP posts are to be believed--mostly the posts were based on Jim-Bob's niece, Amy, posting about Kelly Bates medical problems. They have just shown the Duggars, another QF family and the Bates all come together to build a huge addition for the Bates house. Like the Duggars on their very first special, the Bates are apparently uncorrupted by fame and tv dollars. Three "big happy families" really, really enjoying "fellowship" and building the house. The kids are constantly put in danger with building materials, tools, and too many kids to be safely watched. All this reminds me of is FLDS--but with one wife. I read somewhere that the Duggars grind wheat and bake their own bread--one guess who does it all--the 4 oldest girls. Who does the homeschooling--the 4 oldest girls. Who does the mountain of laundry each day--the oldest girls. There are occasional facial expressions and other tiny hints [that could be totally misunderstood of course--tv viewers don't really know these people after all] that the girls are not "really" on board with this. In fact they are simply slaves. What makes slaves give the party line? Either brainwashing and or force. Like FLDS boys, the two oldest Duggar boys spent years working on the huge house they now live in. Yes, it WAS a great learning experience for them all, but the debt-free mania and building the house so cheap robbed these boys of a real education. While the Duggars do use other homeschool materials beyond the horrible "Wisdom Booklets" their kids are not "educated" in any way. They are "schooled" to the letter of the law and no more. Their musical training, while a nice extra, is not to a standard that would receive applause anywhere but the most committed Gothardite Church. [Could be the quality of the violins they buy....] The boys, while being waited on hand and foot in the house, have also been robbed of self-esteem, dignity and the knowledge they need to support the huge family looming in their futures. This is sad. The Duggars are working overtime to show their "normal" lives. What's normal here? Like I said before, when they visited a public school [with Mama wearing that breast feeding cape and "shelf" and the little baby's legs sticking out like a scary parasitic twin] NONE of the appropriately aged children went along. One of the older girls, when asked her favorite book, said [something like] "Waiting for your Price Charming" a boring book about purity. That's the best she could do??? YES! That's how restricted they are. When the school welcomed them with dancing they looked on disapprovingly. Why? Gothard hates dance and Daddy would see their faces on the tape! They do not listen to secular or CCM yet the went to meet DOLLY PARTON, boobs and all! Better yell the code word, NIKE! so the boys won't be tempted to look at her! They don't watch tv but Josh just happened to know TLC has another show, "The Cake Boss." They have a wet dry vac but take product placements of the Swiffer Wet Jet. They make their own laundry soap but on the trading chores show Jim Bob and the boys clean the bathroom with a can of scrubbing bubbles bath cleaner!! They don't listen to CCM, but I swear when one of the girls was practicing the piano with the baby strapped to her she was playing a contemporary Praise song. What IS it like to grow up in this zoo? What's it like to live in a mansion but have to wear used shoes and eat garbage from the frozen food isle at Aldis? What's it like to be constantly surrounded 6 little uncontrollable brothers running, fighting, screaming, peeing their pants [it was actually shown on tv!!]? HOW do they learn anything from their lessons? When do they get one-on-one attention? NEVER! When one little guy of about 4 was allowed to go to the MEN'S bathroom ALONE in the Newark airport he got lost. Mom and Dad had no idea he was missing. He was comforted by his big sister. This is not "normal." We have seen the littlest boy in bed with his big sister--his obvious real "Mom" if you will. How about charting everyone's periods in public view? Never meeting kids your own age who aren't similarly indoctrinated? Never playing a real sport--just broomball?? And then having to live with the whole country watching you on tv? Weird? Yes! Unhealthy? ABSOLUTELY. I've posted this a few other places, but I believe Michelle births them and that's is IT. I think she did this to please her hubby but did not really want all these "blessings." Unless it's just bad editing, she does NOTHING for her children. The girls do it all. How can she look herself in the eye? She had a fun, normal childhood. J-B had a normal, if poor, childhood. How can they see this as good? I think it's simple: they don't give a rat's a__ about anything except the money and fame. I think, way back in the day, when they did the first special they were 100% sold on QF and Gothard, but guess what? Fame corrupts. Much easier to have the tv cameras in than try to earn enough money to support this huge family! ON TWOP boards they discuss endlessly potential courtships of the girls. My bet is it'll be a long time before anyone devout enough comes along. If an older girl married Michelle Duggar would have to do actual work in her own home and raise her own kids. Shock! Jim Bob wants the tv thing to continue because he hasn't got a prayer of feeding all those kids any other way! I get angry when I think of them influencing other families to do it "God's Way" to push out child after child with no thought of how to NURTURE, Encourage , EDUCATE [not just impart wisdom to] all these kids. I wonder if someone out bid TLC by offering Jim-Bob a vasectomy if he'd take the money and call it God's will???
In a sick, sick way, I can't wait for the first kid to leave and write a tell-all blog or book. With 18 kids there is no way a whole bunch of them won't have mega-problems from growing up in a mega-family. The Duggars are the family equivalent of a CAFO [confined animal feeding operation]. Financially they are much better off on tv, but I think they truly did sell their soul for that $.
I have quit watching. I serioulsy think we need to start an escape fund for these kids. They will need scholarships, housing, etc for years to get over their upbringing.
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jennie
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Post by jennie on Sept 4, 2009 15:13:01 GMT -5
I have only watched the show a couple of times, but now you've got me curious, Hopewell. They chart the girl's periods in front of everyone - what's that about?
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Post by grandmalou on Sept 5, 2009 4:45:10 GMT -5
I have only watched the show a couple of times, but now you've got me curious, Hopewell. They chart the girl's periods in front of everyone - what's that about? You have GOT TO BE KIDDING! That's just sick!
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Post by cereselle on Sept 5, 2009 9:24:53 GMT -5
ISTR that's how they knew Michelle was pregnant with #17-- the older girls realized, when they were doing the wash, that she hadn't bled on anything when she was supposed to have her period, so they called her and said "Mom, we think you're pregnant!" I do credit the Duggars with getting me interested in QF and other P religions, which stands me in good stead here.
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Post by jemand on Sept 5, 2009 9:28:17 GMT -5
well, I suppose your period isn't something dirty or to be ashamed of but still... when my mom suggested I track mine with a marker no one else would know about I never did it because I wanted to be more private about it. With the number of girls they have-- I'm sure at least one of them hates that plan even if the others have no problem with it.
But it's way less of a big deal than the denial of a real education though, I think.
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jennie
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Post by jennie on Sept 5, 2009 15:01:57 GMT -5
Yep - I'm not saying that having your period is anything to be ashamed of. It's just hard for me to imagine a teenage girl, much less a fundie teenage girl, being OK with everyone else knowing about it. Maybe it's cause I'm a very quiet, private person - but I would be mortified!
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Post by rosa on Sept 5, 2009 19:12:49 GMT -5
It's a good way to catch if any of them get pregnant and get them married quick, though.
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Post by jemand on Sept 5, 2009 19:14:56 GMT -5
It's a good way to catch if any of them get pregnant and get them married quick, though. hmmm, I didn't think of that. Ugh.
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Post by philosophia on Sept 5, 2009 23:04:36 GMT -5
I have only watched the show a couple of times, but now you've got me curious, Hopewell. They chart the girl's periods in front of everyone - what's that about? You have GOT TO BE KIDDING! That's just sick! I believe that if they view fertility and childbearing as a sacred duty, that charting the girls' periods would be a mark of their faithful interest in that duty. Those girls will never have privacy in their lives if they carry on in quiverfull . But at least they will be accustomed to it. The lifestyle is hard on private people and introverts .
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athenac
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Post by athenac on Sept 6, 2009 2:40:15 GMT -5
They probably chart the girls' periods so they will know when she is in her uncleanness and they can avoid her.
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness.
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