Musicmom,
ok been having it out, or wrestling with God over this...
you brought up the why sexual violence in ritual abuse--ok, well I know from what memories I have and other confirmations that I have received is that--regarding the Spiritual 'draining' like vampires, ok the whole rush of power the abuser gets, is also due to the
FEAR they instill AND cause--Which, like Totalitarians/Authoritarians [of all kinds] leads to CONTROL, LONG TERM CONTROLS, you can CONTROL ENTIRE SOCIETIES, GENDER, WITH THE USE OF FEAR,
TERRORISM.
That's what it is...its the demi-god factor. Social Engineers THRIVE on this--be they religious or secular/elites, etc. It is a power rush--the reason I know this, is because, a couple of years ago, when in some heavy Radical Feminism, and far leftism I got into researching the positive sex-taking back for survivors of sex abuse, the whole bondage crap, now I didn't like get into the whole rituals, but I read about them. Knew women who were into that whole scene, I did have one relationship Years ago that bordered on this whole nine and a half weeks insanity--he's in prison now if that tells you anything,
[my younger days] but Anyhow, the belief is, that by surrendering to abuse with a so called 'trusted' partner who takes you to the edge, etc., that one is taking back, the Truth though, is that it perpetuates a state of helplessness and those who are on the dominatrix side are into the whole Power rush--of Domination. There is a lot of abuses that do occur Because that trusted dominatrix gets a bit too powerful and abusive--that's the nasty little truth many Don't tell,
but in groups, support groups for survivors of ritual abuse, satanic abuse/occult, etc., gender to gender abuse [e.g. lesbian rape and so forth, Yes it Does exist just like mother to daughter and sons and so forth], male on male and group abuse/mob violence, Fraternity abuse is a HUGE one, etc., the Evidence of the reality of rape, abuse, soul abuse is astronomical...AS is the Power rush the perps get--and the Lack of Conscience they have, lack of empathy, towards the victims.
Even if those victims are willing participants. Does that make sense?
There's some kind of power dynamic-play that goes on between, now with small children, what I do know, is that I did Identify with my abuser, the main one, Because she was female--that is normal they say--and I know this is true Because,
the colonized in Africa, for example, spoke in many books about the Identification with the Colonizers, why it takes De-Colonizing the MIND before any revolution or resistance can take place...
one Cannot even Think of resistance--that is the 'rebellion' so if there is Abuse, horrid abuses, Even if evil, the Message is, you do NOT resist, or there is hell fire. That produces Fear, and Fear produces
Hatred.
So, to me, there is a Double message, you do not ask questions [and with the abusers in my life you Didn't even THINK to ask questions] nor do you Ever resist--even if what is done to you would be SIN if YOU did it to someone else, BUT now, you are to trust and love,
it's insanity. The trump card is twofold, one you're a sinner so you have no RIGHT to ask questions or resist and two God sets the authorities over you in His Big hierarchy...of course which is All Male and all Described by Males. BUT remember, you, woman, are the one at fault...which is internalized,
but, BUT you had Better produce joy and love in the process of all this.
But too, these things are all evil and God will punish--He will make right,
one day, long after we're dead but that's beside the point.
So, what we are left with is a social engineering of FEAR and TERROR that governments/those in authority have to rule the masses and keep the Victims in place,
just like in ritual abuse.
Only difference is, again, is that Jesus, also died a horrible torture, so that WE would not go to hell--if we do all He says, so that God now can relate to OUR being the victims, etc.,
which, according to Bible, our parents Chose this for us, e.g. Adam and Eve.
Logically this isn't too hard to grasp, if a nation, starts a war and invades and tries to take over the world, and that nation gets their asses kicked and generations for years suffer under the rule of the enemy, it's the parent nations fault--Case in point,
Germany, WWII and the Conquest by Soviets, East Germany.
Was it the fault of the children of East Germany what their parents did in WWII? NO, but they still paid the price for it,
not fair but that's how it is...So, IF the Spiritual Kingdom is like, lets say, a Mirror Image of our kingdom, well then, it might make sense, it does make sense, there is God and Satan, Adam and Eve chose Satan over God, therefore the children--or they rebelled against God, a state of war that was Already going on, and Satan took dominion/power over the planet, which he did, then the children suffer,
the colonized, lets say, the Earth is colonized by Satan and his minions. Well--then that could be a possible explanation, God though in power has to respect the government, sovereignty of Satan, and those under his domain, are his prey, though we may be Redeemed but not in this lifetime fully [due to our flesh/we're not in space yet, or heaven, etc till we die so we still Live under Satan's domain],
and if our parents/human parents or power structures make these little deals with him esp with ritual abuse/blood spill [even if on spiritual level to which we can't see] then maybe it's that God says, we have to obey [whether that means to sin or not I think is debated--what exactly entitles resistance?
], then it's due to the government of the spiritual,
maybe?
So then that takes us/me back to the church, what about all these so called Christian men who are utter assholes? Well, what if, they made their own little deals with Satan? [in the Spiritual, lets say, Satan = evil, put it on ethical point here],
and it's all about lust for power. Maybe they only lust for power over their little domain--over the bodies of what they feel is their entitled government? Hierarchy would work that way,
but then--I ask, what is exactly resistance? Does that mean revolution [and funny thing is, Luther, who translated the KJ DID revolt, for a man who was a Misogynist odd how HE didn't feel any compulsion to not 'resist', hmmmmm], is wrong or All kinds of resistance?
Or just flat out disobedience?
The issue I have is that the Bible is not Clear about this, along with other subjects, now whether this was God or the Manipulation of MEN I have no idea, but King James, and Kings,
makes one wonder.
And even if we Can resist, the damaged soul cannot do much, because the DeColonization has to take place First, because we Identify with our Oppressors,
where I'm at thus far....Fear, I have this Awful fear, of even questioning God--that whole blasphemy thing, the Trigger is in the whole 'those who resist will receive damnation'
that to me reads like, when they rape you...[due to the abuse] or abuse you, don't you Dare resist,
and then, I get the whole 'it's a sin to fornicate' and I'm thinking, Why? So MEN get a clean conscience, for women [who live with abusive men and who submit which IS submitting to Rape] and for the children out there,
what the hell Difference does it make if they are abused by one warlock or 100 warlocks,
it feels the same--and it sure as hell don't feel like Love. And it don't produce Love either, not inside, not anywhere...
it's More than suffering for Christ, it's suffering, for Just being born, with a different set of genitals. There isn't anything Redemptive about it--
except, for those, who get the Rush for Power.
~~~sigh~~~
but we aren't to eat 'strangled chickens', [Paul, said in Acts] that one Really gets me too, because that has something to do with the abuse when I was a kid--though I don't have all the 'clear details', just enough,
but now if Government 'says, do it, Paul says to 'obey in Every ordinance--as does Peter',
ok God, I now have to Obey the very thing, that they did, for Satan,
gee, Nice.
Yea--it gets really messed up....and Paul wrote during the Roman Pagan times when these sacrifices/virgins and forced prostitution was going on--really horrid stuff, did they Obey those too?
So, now My question is, something is just Off about it--I'd like to See, the ancient texts, and what they Really said, before the men in the little Rooms took them or took their version of, because something,
just is off about it. Unless now, the whole point--is that the victims will be the Witnesses on judgment day?
?? But that don't help the 'mind' reconcile--or see God, for Love,
not on the dark days.
[for those Christians, and other authoritarian zealots of all kinds, out there who Think abusing children leads them to godliness or any Healthy state--I hope my messed up life-self wakes you the hell up, like Duh, but that is the Point, it Doesn't lead to anything good, just broken people who function to a lot of FEAR and nothing really more--until one day, society is totally screwed up. Gee, nice...]
Jane [related to above two posts] Dang--ok, another thought,
this is interesting, the Bible says, we can Resist the Devil [Satan], ok then, how in the hell would That apply, to resisting Satanic [or evil] governments? And still remain within obedience?
?
Or is that Only after the fact [after damage has been done??? like what Good does it do then, gee, OK well back on the crazy wheel, but I did say,
if I get answers, I'd post them here...God's usually pretty good about answering--I did ask Him, why so many women died horribly it did no good, and it says in Hebrews many died without Receiving the Promise, that they are the cloud of witnesses,
that we are justified by faith. But faith in What? For me I can see the whole 'obey' thing, to be a good and faithful servant, it's the whole Love thing,
that I find, really screwed up. It's NOT that I have issue for Dying/Suffering for the Faith--that's one thing,
it's the suffering just because one is weaker/child with no power or women, just because they are women--and the whole structures that are All about oppressing them with Impunity--That I have issue with--and no way, can I just not Resist them, nor give them honor where honor is due,
to many governments today don't deserve no honor. They make me sick.
[end of rant] government, same goes for patriarchal jerks in QF and other religions, authorities--the Soul Assassins, because That is what they are--they Plow over the soul gardens of children and women,
just like they Bulldoze with their tanks the fields of flowers and rape her for Oil. Why the Earth looks like a raped tortured woman, and then they Gripe, that she produces less food,
the jerks. But of course, Women live longer in famines--men die first, how nice for them, eh?
Love,
Jane