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Post by latraviata on Apr 23, 2009 17:46:45 GMT -5
A voice from the old world. I am a retired 60 year old European female atheist with a PhD in psychology. Sorry for my poor English it is not my first language How I got on this blog is a long story, but I would like to express my admiration for two very courageous ladies, Vicky and Laura! Religion doesn't play a role of any significance in my secular country. So it is very hard to understand, why intelligent people put so much energy in seeking spriritual guidance and life rules in religion(s) I am glad Vicky and Laura you are seeking now within yourselves, I understand it is not the easiest way, but so much better than submitting to rules and regulations within a religion which are so demanding and strict that nobody could humanly possible live up to it wthout being in constant fear or quilt. Bon courage!!!!
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Post by jadehawk on Apr 23, 2009 22:15:15 GMT -5
oooh, opera! :-p
welcome to the NLQ boards :-)
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Post by latraviata on Apr 25, 2009 19:10:28 GMT -5
Thanks Jadehawk. I am indeed an avid classical music/opera lover. What I learned so far about the Quiverful or fundamentalist christian homeschoolers, is the absence of any sense of culture, only reading the bible or christian books, teaching the children from wisdom booklets is depriving them of the beauty of proper literature, art or music. Not to mention the confinement of having friends or contacts outside the christian comfort zone. Teaching the daughters how to take of children, cooking and cleaning and being submissive to their husbands without giving them a choice, is in my book emotional abuse. Btw.like you I am a European mix, Dutch/French, widow and have two sons, 30 and 27 year, a physician (radiologist) and an accountant/author.
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Post by tapati on Apr 26, 2009 12:20:42 GMT -5
Welcome, Latraviata! I'm glad to see NLQ is reaching an international audience. Yes it's interesting the role religion plays in the U.S. Of course many early settlers in America came to escape religious persecution, so religion played a strong role early on. Think of us as the haven for every minority religion in the Old World. My own kids are close in age to yours, at 31 and almost 30 (on May 10). I'm 50 and I had them rather young, which seems to be almost a family tradition. But since heart disease runs in our family that may be just as well. I have 3 grandkids, two boys and a girl born Mar. 28 of this year.
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Post by latraviata on Apr 26, 2009 18:37:51 GMT -5
Thank you Tapati
I am sure the reason we have not much fundamentalist chistians ( a small insignificant minority) in our country, because they all emigrated to the USA LOL!! People marry late in the Netherlands and in France for that matter, they prefer finishing their study and build some sort of career or financial (emotional) stability. I read the oldest Duggar boy married at 20/21 hardly knowing the girl I think that is not very wise, considering the utter uptightness towards sex and relationships. The way they broadcast their pureness and virginity seems rather perverted to me. I think that ones personal sex life (or lack therof) is a private matter. Though good sex education prevents (in the Netherlands) the problem of teen pregnancies.
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Post by themomma on May 3, 2009 22:57:11 GMT -5
Thanks Jadehawk. I am indeed an avid classical music/opera lover. What I learned so far about the Quiverful or fundamentalist christian homeschoolers, is the absence of any sense of culture, only reading the bible or christian books, teaching the children from wisdom booklets is depriving them of the beauty of proper literature, art or music. Not to mention the confinement of having friends or contacts outside the christian comfort zone. Teaching the daughters how to take of children, cooking and cleaning and being submissive to their husbands without giving them a choice, is in my book emotional abuse. Btw.like you I am a European mix, Dutch/French, widow and have two sons, 30 and 27 year, a physician (radiologist) and an accountant/author. I am a little offended that your opinion of homeschooling is a lack of culture. Actually one of the great things about homeschooling is I can take my kids to the National Music Museum each Fri where they have awesome music programs from all different musical genres. I know that there can be issues within homeschooling and QF, ect, but remember that these are usually the extremes you are hearing about. There are tons of very well-rounded, healthy, happy homeschooling, QF families "out there". Here is the extreme, and I would guess, the minority. Now I am NOT saying when these extemes happen to ignore them or it is ok, absolutely not, just try and keep the big pictue in focus.
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on May 9, 2009 1:20:22 GMT -5
Welcome, Latraviata. So glad to have you here. I do hope that we will be hearing from you more as I believe your perspective could really be enlightening to many of us. I can definitely say for myself that Christianity so isolated me from a vast world of thought and ideas which lay outside the realm of biblical orthodoxy ~ and sadly, I'm now trying to play catch-up and it's really quite frustrating.
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Post by grievousangle on May 9, 2009 14:37:28 GMT -5
QF and fundamentalism and every homeschool that operates to serve either are what is extreme, not Latraviata's opinion. Trying to introduce culture into QF is like giving piano lessons in Auschwitz. I fail to see how a woman can believe her purpose in life is to fill up her old man's "quiver" with more "arrows" than any single couple can raise. But no matter, I'll take it as gospel that many do believe just that. The point is that if you do happen to believe that, then there is no museum on Earth that will ever help you. You must escape or you will never really hear the music. I am a little offended that your opinion of homeschooling is a lack of culture. Actually one of the great things about homeschooling is I can take my kids to the National Music Museum each Fri where they have awesome music programs from all different musical genres. I know that there can be issues within homeschooling and QF, ect, but remember that these are usually the extremes you are hearing about. There are tons of very well-rounded, healthy, happy homeschooling, QF families "out there". Here is the extreme, and I would guess, the minority. Now I am NOT saying when these extemes happen to ignore them or it is ok, absolutely not, just try and keep the big pictue in focus.
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Post by rosa on May 12, 2009 14:18:53 GMT -5
greivousangle, that is just as insulting as the Christians who tell us we can never really experience bliss without the touch of the Holy Spirit.
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Post by AustinAvery on May 12, 2009 15:13:59 GMT -5
latraviata,
I enjoyed reading your introduction. And your English is fine. I wish I could write in any second language as well. Hope you'll continue to give us the European perspective on all of this.
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Post by AustinAvery on May 12, 2009 15:20:23 GMT -5
grievousangle:
You have some strong opinions there. I'd like to hear more about them, and "themomma's" responses as well, but latraviata's intro thread seems like the wrong venue. How does one start a new threat thread here?
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on May 13, 2009 7:35:21 GMT -5
grievousangle: You have some strong opinions there. I'd like to hear more about them, and "themomma's" responses as well, but latraviata's intro thread seems like the wrong venue. How does one start a new threat here? Please don't start a new threat here, austinavery ~ LOL To start a new THREAD ~ go to "Member Forum" and in the top-right corner you'll see "New Thread." Forgive me for pointing out that typo ~ it just cracked me up.
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Post by AustinAvery on May 13, 2009 11:58:23 GMT -5
I'd like to think that the reference to Auschwitz in the prior post caused Freudian mechanisms in my mind to type thread as "threat," but I'm afraid its just poor typing.
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Post by castor on May 17, 2009 8:50:34 GMT -5
Hey Latraviata. I live in the Netherlands like you (You live in the Netherlands right? Or do you live in France?), and I want to say "sorry for my poor English" all the time too. It makes me so uncomfortable to write in a language that isn't my own. Aargh.
And maybe religion doesn't play such a big role in our country, but (I'm sorry to tell you) there are people living very much like Vyckie and Laura did here too. My (ex) best friend is one of them. She's not a christian though, but a (converted) muslim.
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