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Post by bagheera on Sept 5, 2009 17:18:45 GMT -5
Hello all,
I come from a background which included a bout of fundamentalism which i left. my brother is in a similar movement to this quiverfull one. i have deep concerns for my nieces who are told they won't be helped to go to college unless they marry someone older who will pay for it, and that they shouldn't work. school is only to learn enough so that they can home school their future brood. the older ones care for the babies. the boys are educated and have college funds. there's more to the story, obviously, but suffice to say i'd like to get more knowledge and perspective so that i may be the aunt that can help my nieces (and nephews) someday if they want it. and also to handle the judgements and domineering over-bearing self-righteousness of my brother. i would love to have a decent relationship with him, but his religious behaviors make it impossible. he is like a slave owner who says it's ok because it's God's divine order and because he cares for his slaves.
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Post by jemand on Sept 5, 2009 17:39:03 GMT -5
welcome.
that sounds like it would be very hard to watch.
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Post by coleslaw on Sept 6, 2009 7:55:45 GMT -5
Welcome, Bagheera.
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Post by xara on Sept 6, 2009 11:20:47 GMT -5
Welcome Bagheera
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Post by Sierra on Sept 6, 2009 11:25:10 GMT -5
Hi Bagheera! I really empathize with your family dilemma. How frustrating to see your brother treating his children with such inequity! My heart goes out to the young girls who are never given the chance to decide what they really want from life. My mother is still part of the "Message of the Hour" fundamentalist group that I left. It hurts to be still connected to something that was so dark and painful in one's past. To some extent, the best way to help your nieces depends on who they are as individuals. For me, the most helpful thing was to have someone else (professors at college) offer support for my ideas and ask me deep questions without waiting for me to regurgitate the "right" answer. What this taught me was that I could think for myself. Children in that environment, myself included, tend to parrot a lot of dogma that's shoved down their throats: "thought-stopping cliches" as the mind-control article linked elsewhere on this forum describes it. But every now and then you'll get a kernel of original thought. But I have always been more or less a wordy intellectual ( ), even within fundamentalism, so this approach might not make such a difference with someone less inclined to be analytical. But if you are really willing to make yourself a presence in their lives, you will make a difference just by being who you are - I guarantee it. As I've said elsewhere, knowing good people outside of one's fundamentalist sect can help break down those ideas of "us against the world," where everyone outside the sect is evil and suspect. You will give them instant evidence to the contrary, and it might cause them to rethink that training.
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Post by jeb on Sept 6, 2009 12:04:08 GMT -5
Sierra - You've reminded me of a long-ago time in my life and made me laugh. In your speaking of regurgitating the right answer you took me back to the time when I was 16 and working at my first job (I left home just before I turned 16) and I was arguing some religious something or other with an Anglican gal that worked there and finally in disgust she threw up her hands and shouted "Can't you say anything for yourself? All you ever do is quote scripture!" FDLH ;D It's funny now but back then it was 'serious business'. And she was right of course . . . that's how I'd been brought up and that's all I knew to do. Thinking for myself didn't fully blossom until 10 years or so later. But that woman was the first to ever french kiss me (on an elevator yet) and that was enlightenment in and of itself. Y'all treat yourselves right, eh? John Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease to be amused.
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Sept 8, 2009 7:22:40 GMT -5
he is like a slave owner who says it's ok because it's God's divine order and because he cares for his slaves. Welcome bagheera. I think you picked the perfect comparison here ~ these patriarchs believe they are actually doing the women in their lives a favor by their controlling and domination. Yeah ~ we females should be grateful for such protection, huh?
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Post by jemand on Sept 8, 2009 8:13:59 GMT -5
he is like a slave owner who says it's ok because it's God's divine order and because he cares for his slaves. Welcome bagheera. I think you picked the perfect comparison here ~ these patriarchs believe they are actually doing the women in their lives a favor by their controlling and domination. Yeah ~ we females should be grateful for such protection, huh? Actually I've heard one person who advocates for female submission argue that in biblical times "slave owners were the equivalent of today's charity organizations." yup. pretty much in those words, too. I think a lot of men wouldn't like a society these people dreamed up any more than us women.
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