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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Feb 14, 2010 1:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by doggie on Feb 14, 2010 2:19:21 GMT -5
when your beliefs harm or kill your children then you are an evil person. I hope if there is a hell there is a special place for fundies who damage and kill their children in the name of god.
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Post by krwordgazer on Feb 14, 2010 3:15:50 GMT -5
Just thought I'd better mention: When I click on that link to "Daily KOS" in KM's post, my virus protection software warns me that there is a "Rogue Scanner" virus present on that page. I'm sure it is not intentional.
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Post by madame on Feb 14, 2010 4:47:55 GMT -5
What an awful story. I'm so sorry that poor girl had to go through that! But she is a surviver, and she is incredibly strong and brave.
Why do such families homeschool? Why do they have so many children?
Whatever that family is, the dad is disgusting and deserves never to see his children or be able to procreate ever again. The mother is lying or abused herself.
I wish I could hug that poor girl.
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Post by jennie on Feb 14, 2010 9:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by jennie on Feb 14, 2010 9:54:34 GMT -5
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/02/10/pf-12824946.htmlOK, I found it. Apparently five children total, from the ages of 5 to 14. The girl and her brother are from a previous marriage, and Scott and Andrea have 3 more together. Man, it seems like blended family + fundieism = recipe for disaster. A lot of the times, the stepchildren get treated like crap.
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:04:33 GMT -5
Just thought I'd better mention: When I click on that link to "Daily KOS" in KM's post, my virus protection software warns me that there is a "Rogue Scanner" virus present on that page. I'm sure it is not intentional. Huh... I'm not sure why that would be. Kos is a big political blogger... Hm.
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:07:39 GMT -5
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/02/10/pf-12824946.htmlOK, I found it. Apparently five children total, from the ages of 5 to 14. The girl and her brother are from a previous marriage, and Scott and Andrea have 3 more together. Man, it seems like blended family + fundieism = recipe for disaster. A lot of the times, the stepchildren get treated like crap. Jennie--Thanks for linking. I'm going to update my post (at least over at my own blog--Vyckie, you're welcome to add what I add if you want.). Anyway, I was wondering if you want me to credit you, and if so, how? (i.e., something like h/t Jennie at the NLQ boards, or do you want me to link your blog or something? Feel free to PM me too.)
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:12:54 GMT -5
Also wanted to note... I don't know if there's anything inherently problematic about blended families until you add an abusive element where, yeah, I can see how stepchildren can be targeted.
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Feb 14, 2010 10:16:03 GMT -5
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/02/10/pf-12824946.htmlOK, I found it. Apparently five children total, from the ages of 5 to 14. The girl and her brother are from a previous marriage, and Scott and Andrea have 3 more together. Man, it seems like blended family + fundieism = recipe for disaster. A lot of the times, the stepchildren get treated like crap. Jennie--Thanks for linking. I'm going to update my post (at least over at my own blog--Vyckie, you're welcome to add what I add if you want.). Anyway, I was wondering if you want me to credit you, and if so, how? (i.e., something like h/t Jennie at the NLQ boards, or do you want me to link your blog or something? Feel free to PM me too.) KM ~ let me know when you are finished updating your post and I'll make the same changes on NLQ. I added the video ~ especially because of the opening bit about how shocked the neighbors were because Bass's seemed "like a perfect family." ~ Kind of a QF giveaway right there, huh?
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:21:26 GMT -5
Vyckie--The video is a good touch, thanks. I'm working on the update right now.
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:22:58 GMT -5
Actually, can someone tell me how to add the video to my own blog? Am a bit of a luddite, not sure how to embed.
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Post by dangermom on Feb 14, 2010 10:33:11 GMT -5
KM, I mentioned this family in the child abuse thread and am linking here to the last news story I saw--this seems to me to be a case of Pearl-style 'discipline' as well, but apparently it's not yet clear exactly what philosophy they were following. (I would guess that part of the problem is that news reporters--just like me--aren't familiar with the intricacies of fundamentalism, so calling it "fundamentalist" looks like accurate reporting to them. They don't know that they could be more specific.) DA links fundamentalist "training" to Paradise girl's death
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 10:57:55 GMT -5
Am almost done with the update. Jennie and dangermom, I've linked the sources you provided. Are you okay with being credited as "Jennie and dangermom at the No Longer Quivering Forum," or would you prefer that I link a blog?
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 11:03:22 GMT -5
Okay, updated, except I'm still having issues with adding a video, can't figure out why.
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 11:09:45 GMT -5
All right, y'all, so I have the code for the video. Am I supposed to embed the video code in some kind of html as well?
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Post by kisekileia on Feb 14, 2010 11:19:26 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that a broad range of fundamentalist teachers urge parents to abuse their children with weapons, not just Quiverfull people. I believe James Dobson advocates it, and he's pretty mainstream evangelical.
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 12:22:16 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that a broad range of fundamentalist teachers urge parents to abuse their children with weapons, not just Quiverfull people. I believe James Dobson advocates it, and he's pretty mainstream evangelical. Agreed. I tried to make that clear in the post, and I think the series of posts at Daily Kos do a great job of creating a run down of various pro-abuse advocates (who are as mainstream as James Dobson). I'm wondering specifically if these people are QF, though, b/c of the homeschooling, prayer closet-like torture chamber, and beatings with rods (which are all consistent with the stories of ex-ATIA-ers and Gothard--which both sort of go hand in hand with QF.).
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Post by km on Feb 14, 2010 12:46:56 GMT -5
Also wanted to say... You all are welcome to comment over at my blog as well. I have to "approve" every first time commenter, but after that, you shouldn't be stuck in mod. I'll be away most of today, but I'll be back to this tonight some time.
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Post by jennie on Feb 14, 2010 13:15:26 GMT -5
KM - I don't have a blog or anything, so however you want to refer to it is fine. Post a link to your blog - I would love to see it.
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Post by susan on Feb 14, 2010 14:23:35 GMT -5
I don't know if it matters whether they use birth control or not. It seems like it IS adequate to talk about the influence of Christian fundamentalist childrearing practices --
And especially the fundamentalist attitude we've touched on in the abuse thread -- the attitude which says that parents have this short window of time to instill in their child a respect for authority figures, and this respect (or the lack of it) lays the whole foundation for their child's lifelong relationship with God.
I agree with Jennie that this fundamentalist attitude, combined with a blended family situation, can really exacerbate any abusive tendencies the parents may have. Because there's so much for the older children to adjust to -- a whole new stepmom ...
And then the parents get all concerned about how the older children's "lack of respect" might rub off on the younger children -- so your younger children's salvation hinges on you being able to nip "in the bud" any negative attitudes that the older chidlren may be expressing.
In a way, the urge to go overboard with labels like "Quiverful," might lead to more "mainstream" fundamentalist parents feeling a sense of false security -- when really, as Kisekileia points out, Dobson is mainstream Evangelical, and he advocates disciplining with weapons as well.
So, even though most fundamentalist parents would never go to such an extreme, many of them are following advice which puts them at risk for some dangerous excesses.
But that poor girl. I didn't know that when you ate food in your own home, it was considered "stealing food!" I feel children should be able to eat whenever they're hungry, and raiding your own refrig is not "stealing." Still and yet, I do know one large fundamentalist family where the kids get in trouble for sneaking food when the kitchen isn't "open."
The weird thing is, their older (like, teenaged) children have sometimes gone in and taken food that they KNOW someone else in the family is setting aside for a later snack -- whereas my 9-year-old, who has free access, has never done anything like this.
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Post by dangermom on Feb 14, 2010 16:17:43 GMT -5
Yes, km, the way you credited me is fine. My only blog is about books.
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Post by musicmom on Feb 14, 2010 16:37:44 GMT -5
when your beliefs harm or kill your children then you are an evil person. I hope if there is a hell there is a special place for fundies who damage and kill their children in the name of god. Doggie, I appreciate your anger and compassion for the children, but these parents are not evil. They are abused and manipulated themselves and they probably think they are doing the very best thing for that girl's soul. Very likely, they were abused as children without it ever being acknowledged, so this all feels ok to them. They probably are trying to save their daughter from being ruled by her own selfish will or the devil. Please don't think I am defending their abuse. I am, however, defending their intentions. Sick as this is, I believe that they think they are doing the right thing by their child.
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Post by musicmom on Feb 14, 2010 16:39:05 GMT -5
cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/02/10/pf-12824946.htmlOK, I found it. Apparently five children total, from the ages of 5 to 14. The girl and her brother are from a previous marriage, and Scott and Andrea have 3 more together. Man, it seems like blended family + fundieism = recipe for disaster. A lot of the times, the stepchildren get treated like crap. How much does anyone want to bet that the brother turns up abused too?
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Post by doggie on Feb 14, 2010 16:59:26 GMT -5
when your beliefs harm or kill your children then you are an evil person. I hope if there is a hell there is a special place for fundies who damage and kill their children in the name of god. Doggie, I appreciate your anger and compassion for the children, but these parents are not evil. They are abused and manipulated themselves and they probably think they are doing the very best thing for that girl's soul. Very likely, they were abused as children without it ever being acknowledged, so this all feels ok to them. They probably are trying to save their daughter from being ruled by her own selfish will or the devil. Please don't think I am defending their abuse. I am, however, defending their intentions. Sick as this is, I believe that they think they are doing the right thing by their child. of course they they think they are doing good. but seep in side I bet they know they are not that's why is is so bad. at least the child lived. here in Oregon there is a church who's members only believe in prayer and laying on of the hands to heal. well the parents of a little girl (less then 2 years old) died and the parents were brought up on charges though they got off on a misdemeanor charge. but even worse that little girls grandparents killed their own son who was 16. they were just found guilty some of the worst evil done in history was done in the name of god. this does not excuse it or make the people who chose this less evil.
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