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Post by kisekileia on Jun 3, 2010 21:36:53 GMT -5
That sounds great, Arietty. My parents were able to switch me out of a school where the teacher appeared mentally unbalanced at one point, but generally, where I live (Ontario, Canada), you have to go to your local school unless you're in some sort of special program. I was an intellectually gifted kid who also had (has) a couple of disabilities. The schools were spotty at dealing with the giftedness, weren't able to keep me from being bullied, and didn't diagnose or address the disabilities at ALL. I was so far ahead of my peers academically that I probably would have done fine homeschooling even with no formal curriculum up to grade five--I read tons of nonfiction and my parents are highly educated, so I probably learned more at home than I did at school. I got a solid academic education in high school, but that's about the best I can say for what the school system did for me--that solid academic education also totally burned me out because my disabilities were neither acknowledged nor accommodated. My parents wouldn't have dealt with the disabilities either, but I wouldn't have had to deal with other kids holding me back academically and bullying me as much in elementary and middle school, and I would have been spared the humiliation of phys ed class.
I am a supporter of public schools in general. I still appreciate the diversity of people I knew in public school. However, I was in quite a few situations that I absolutely will not tolerate if they are inflicted on my kids. My disabilities are highly heritable, so I know there is a good chance my kids will be like me. I'll probably try them in public school if I have reason to believe the schools can accommodate them, but I will fight very aggressively to ensure that they ARE accommodated, and I will pull them out if I have to.
I would like to see homeschoolers required to have their kids get a thorough psychoeducational evaluation every few years and pass a standardized curriculum test every year (unless they have a disability that renders them unable to pass the test). I'm all for oversight. But sometimes the public schools just don't work for a kid, and you have to pull them out.
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Post by km on Jun 3, 2010 22:56:45 GMT -5
Hey, Kisekileia, I'm not sure we have psychoeducational evaluations in the US. I've never heard this term, and I never had to go through anything like this.
My understanding (from living in Canada for a year) is that Canadian schools are more...federally funded? So, I think there tends to be more tremendous disparity between school systems in the US. I've mentioned attending school in one of the top school districts in the country. But then there's a county just 30 miles away that is very poor, and the quality of education there is...far, far worse. Students without books. Huge drop-out rate when my school had more or less a 100% graduation rate... Gang activity and shootings and just really awful schools.
But I can really relate to what you say about being an intellectually gifted kid with a couple of disabilities that were never properly acknowledged. I didn't find out about any of my disabilities until I became an adult. I also experienced terrible bullying in elementary and middle school.
And if I ever had kids who were going through anything like what I had to deal with, I too would pull them out in a second.
ETA: Okay, so we do have psychoeducational testing... I just didn't know the term. Also, if psychoeducational testing involves mental health/behavioral tests (as it says on the information I found), I...never had anything like that. But I was never tracked into a class for kids with disabilities; I might have had those tests if I had been. What we did have were the yearly standardized tests/evaluations... Eh... Those never bothered me too much because I was pretty good at them. Some kind of psychological or behavioral testing might have freaked me out, though.
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Post by anatheist on Jun 3, 2010 22:58:02 GMT -5
I agree with the posters who've said that the kid should have a say in how they want to be schooled. Every situation is different, so it's not useful to say that ALL homeschooling is bad, or ALL public schools are bad, etc.
I YEARNED to go to public school, and I think that I would have done great. I wanted to take AP classes and be on a more advanced sports team. I wanted to be away from Bible class and teachings about submissive women who would become SAHMs. The pressure of thinking that I was the only non-believer in Christian school was dragging me down emotionally (and as far as I still know, I WAS the only non-believer in my class.) Even if things weren't perfect in public school, just the ability to not have to actively pretend to be a devout Christian all the time would have been such a relief. ETA: Like at Christian school, there were times I had to pray outloud, give a devotional, talk about how I was grateful to god, etc. and the forced hypocrisy that I had to live upset me a lot.
And even though things weren't great in Christian school, I'm so incredibly glad that I wasn't homeschooled. I was an only child with a SAHM, and I already felt like I had to spend too much time with my mother (my perspective as an adult hasn't changed on that). She is very extroverted and she had a idea of a bunch of stuff that she envisioned me doing. So she kept me from playing soccer like I wanted to do so that I could play piano like she wanted me to do, for example. There were two girls my age at church who were homeschooled and I didn't like spending time with either of them. I fit into the local religious homeschool crowd even less than I fit into the Christian school.
I think that I would have been fine teaching myself for a while, but my mother doesn't have a college degree and is only about an 8th grade level in math. She just doesn't have the knowledge to teach an older child at all. But when my parents talk about their decision not to homeschool me (which they seriously considered), they always talk about how "the Lord wasn't leading them to do that" and NOT about my mother was unqualified as a teacher. So I feel like I dodged a bullet.
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Post by km on Jun 3, 2010 22:59:47 GMT -5
I agree with the posters who've said that the kid should have a say in how they want to be schooled. Every situation is different, so it's not useful to say that ALL homeschooling is bad, or ALL public schools are bad, etc. Yes, definitely, assuming that parents have the means for students to do anything other than public school. My parents never did.
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Post by rosa on Jun 3, 2010 23:06:04 GMT -5
Chandra, just to clarify: would you like to see homeschooling banned completely? I assumed, reading what you wrote, that you were talking about legislation to tighten up the homeschool rules and protect against abuse. The conversation jumped right to whether or not homeschooling should be banned after that, so I don't think I read what you said the way everybody else did.
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Post by km on Jun 3, 2010 23:08:31 GMT -5
Chandra, just to clarify: would you like to see homeschooling banned completely? I assumed, reading what you wrote, that you were talking about legislation to tighten up the homeschool rules and protect against abuse. The conversation jumped right to whether or not homeschooling should be banned after that, so I don't think I read what you said the way everybody else did. She says on her blog that she wants to testify before congress in order to make homeschooling illegal.
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Post by princessjo1988 on Jun 3, 2010 23:22:51 GMT -5
Hi All, Well, this has gotten a bit fiery, hasn't it? As for myself (as former homeschooled child), I would like homeschooling to be more tightly regulated, with criminal history checks etc. Here in Australia, we have 'blue cards' which are basic criminal history checks used already in mainstream childcare (ie, daycare centres etc). I would like them to become a standard requirement for homeschooling parents as well. I would also like to see yearly tests (carried out in a neutral place, ie, halls etc) to ensure that homeschooling is kept at a high standard, and so children don't get caught in the cracks. And a yearly (at minimum) check up visit by a social worker etc, would be a good idea as well. For those of you whom find this, in some way, interfering in your privacy/rights etc, I would like to ask this: If a system like this saves one child (and I would suspect many more) from abuse/poor education etc, isn't this tiny amount of interference in your own life worth it? I would suggest teachers at a public school have a higher level of interference than this. Why should it be any different for you? From many perspectives (particularly academically) homeschooling wasn't a extremely negative thing. I was lucky to have a mother whom pushed us to the limit educationally and was a good teacher. In saying that, it has definitely had long term impacts socially. Even though homeschooling stopped for me age 12 (I then went to a tiny rural public school), it still took me a long time to learn how to interact with others (particularly those of a different belief system, etc). Even that I would not blame solely on homeschooling: I believe the fundamentalist aspects of my childhood played a role as well. But would I homeschool? Err. Probably not. Jo
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Post by nikita on Jun 4, 2010 0:10:01 GMT -5
Um, well, because this is the kind of thing that makes people want to pack up their children in a compound in the country and start stockpiling weapons? For starters.
There is a saying that hard cases make bad laws. Taking the case of the merest possibility that a child might have a problem or be harmed as the justification for extreme interference and oversight into the homes of all other children is a textbook case of that principle. A child down the street is abused by his parents so all the children in town have to have regular visits by the social worker and all parents must have a background check to make sure...what? That they never committed any crime? For the purpose of what? Taking away their children if they did? The purpose of a background check is so that parents can be assured that they aren't leaving their children with strangers who may not be trustworthy. It is not to prevent parents from raising their own children. And homeschooling is part of raising children for those doing it.
Standards, yes. Testing periodically to make sure a child's education isn't simply in how to change diapers or fix the tractor or whatever. Sure. But to go into people's homes and interrogate them and snoop around for no other reason than that they are homeschooling is a huge red flag invasion of privacy to me.
Aside: I am not personally espousing compounds and weapons stockpiling, just that this is the kind of talk that makes the paranoid more....so.
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Post by Sierra on Jun 4, 2010 1:25:21 GMT -5
Banning homeschooling will surely stop child abuse, just like the prohibition kept people from drinking and the abortion ban kept women from falling down the stairs. Homeschooling already was regulated in my state, and we had to bring a yearly portfolio of work to an evaluator licensed by the local school district. Every two years, we sat standardized tests that told us where we placed in the national percentile of verbal and quantitative skills. A ban on homeschooling could have ruined my life. I would have been forced to change schools every two years when my parents moved, often at inopportune times, so god knows how many grades I'd have been held back for missed material. My education wasn't stellar in terms of science or math (the usual victims), but homeschooling left me more time to explore books and my own creative writing, and I came out far ahead of the mean in verbal skills by the end. Homeschooling gave me the space and flexibility to cope with the pain I suffered at the hands of my father and the church. If I had been forced to adhere to a rigid school schedule, I'd have failed high school. I became so depressed that I barely made it through the meagre minimum required curriculum in my junior year, but in my senior year I was able to dual enroll in community college. Public school would have forced me to live with those days when I couldn't drag myself out of bed for the rest of my life. I might not have got into the college that saved me. Socially, school would have hurt me. 'Message of the Hour' women are forced to stand out in a crowd with all but a flashing neon sign saying 'Pick on the fundie!' I wouldn't have been able to participate in sports, because I'd have to wear a skirt. I'd have been an outcast. I'd have learned to wall myself in from the outside world and may never have escaped the fundie bubble. I say this because the point at which I finally broke out of my cage came in college - if my 'rebellion' had occurred any sooner, it would have been fruitless. I still would have had to live with my mother and go to her church. The kids I knew who were constantly exposed to 'worldly' folks took on a defensive, superior attitude of 'we are the chosen, you are the fallen'. When I left, a major point of dissonance was realizing that the wonderful people who supported me in college were the ones we'd been hearing about for years as reprobate sinners bound for hell. Banning homeschooling to root out fundamentalist abuse is probably the least constructive idea I have ever heard. ETA: CPS has an abysmal reputation for recognizing and dealing with child abuse even when it is reported. Having a social worker repeatedly check in on families isn't going to do much, especially if the check is annual. My father could charm the pants off the Taliban, so a yearly visit would have been a piece of cake. Unless the house is basically collapsing on itself or the social worker catches a parent in the act of beating a child, nothing is going to get done. Also, for academic perspective, I will be turning in my master's dissertation in a few hours.
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Post by arietty on Jun 4, 2010 2:18:52 GMT -5
What irritates me is that the standard promoted by homeschooling leaders is so low as to not really exist. Sure they love the homeschoolers who go to Harvard and they will talk about for a decade after they graduated to make homeschooling sound fabulous. But have you ever read in a Christian homeschooling publication a simple check list for whether your family is a good candidate for homeschooling? NO. Because they think everyone should homeschool and in order to succeed in the eyes of your peers all you have to do is not send them to school.
Social Isolation is considered a myth by homeschoolers. And you will read again and again here from daughters how very real this was. Even if you had loving parents and no abuse issues in your family social isolation is often keenly felt. It's been my experience that children and teens crave and look for peers, peers and a social circle that is not made up entirely of their siblings. If only this were addressed in homeschool literature.. instead what you get is the teen is considered rebellious because they want friends outside of their siblings and few hand picked families their parents see infrequently. Oh the ridiculous agonizing over a teen who wants to go to Youth Group for instance!!
I hope this site and blogs like Chandra's prompt some families to take a second look at these, really very new, beliefs as to how children develop and what their needs are.
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Post by maicde on Jun 4, 2010 3:59:37 GMT -5
Let me get this straight: Chandra writes a very well written article detailing the abuses she suffered while growing up. I don't have to go through them and waste bandwidth as they are detailed in the article. Then because her follow-up replies aren't to the standard of some people, she's the one that's made to feel that she's in the wrong?
Also, while people are clicking on the article in order to read it, the advertisement message comes on (so that a little money can be earned to make ends meet for the blog owner). People wouldn't be clicking on the article to read more if the article wasn't compelling. Geez, you can't have it both ways: "Let's not offend the precious QF homeschoolers who we're trying to reach because God knows that they're so awesome and THEIR delicate sensibilities can't be offended, but since you already grew up being treated like cr*p (Chandra), it's okay (you won't mind) if we offend you with our judgmental follow-up posts attacking YOU for YOUR views. What the heck.
By the way, as far as Chandra supposedly testifying in Congress to eliminate homeschooling or "ban it" (yikes!) - there's a very fat chance of that happening (homeschooling being banned). I believe they call it "a snowball's chance in h*ll". The truth of the matter is that there are some homeschoolers who have made it bad for everyone else who does a great job. Same for schools who have some poor administrators and/or teachers in the school system. It doesn't mean that public schools (or private schools) should be banned. But I DO think that there is a portion of religious leaders who would have no compunction about banning public schools. They never think about what would happen to all the children who depend on getting an education, a meal, or even a way to get out of their own abusive home environment (like I did). No, it's all about them and their agenda. But everyone else is supposed to walk on egg shells as not to offend the precious little homeschoolers who apparently can't take any sort of criticism. Yeah, go run to your mommies like you always do or better yet, go pray for us. I've not heard that a million times before.
P.S. - when I mention "homeschoolers", I'm referring to the "no accountability to anyone/I'll do as I please" type homeschoolers, NOT all homeschoolers in general.
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Post by arietty on Jun 4, 2010 4:20:03 GMT -5
But everyone else is supposed to walk on egg shells as not to offend the precious little homeschoolers who apparently can't take any sort of criticism. I've got nothing against criticism (I can criticize anything). I'm just not keen on blanket generalizations whether it is all homeschooling is cultic/abuse or all public school is inferior. I disagree with both those ideas.
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Post by maicde on Jun 4, 2010 4:39:53 GMT -5
But everyone else is supposed to walk on egg shells as not to offend the precious little homeschoolers who apparently can't take any sort of criticism. I've got nothing against criticism (I can criticize anything). I'm just not keen on blanket generalizations whether it is all homeschooling is cultic/abuse or all public school is inferior. I disagree with both those ideas. No one's keen on blanket generalizations because normal people realize that there's more than one way of looking at things, more than one way of being. Notice I said, "normal" people, moderate people, people who just want to live their own life in the best way possible and let others live their life too. These are not traits of religious fundamentalists (especially Dominionists and Reconstructionists) who have the belief of "My way or the highway." I edited my post at the bottom. Hope that helps.
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Post by jemand on Jun 4, 2010 4:44:13 GMT -5
I've got nothing against criticism (I can criticize anything). I'm just not keen on blanket generalizations whether it is all homeschooling is cultic/abuse or all public school is inferior. I disagree with both those ideas. No one's keen on blanket generalizations because normal people realize that there's more than one way of looking at things, more than one way of being. Notice I said, "normal" people, moderate people, people who just want to live their own life in the best way possible and let others live their life too. These are not traits of religious fundamentalists (especially Dominionists and Reconstructionists) who have the belief of "My way or the highway." I edited my post at the bottom. Hope that helps. I don't think it was for mags. I think it was for the many other homeschooling parents that post on here, and are NOT abusive. The uncritical generalizations were targeting them, and it was primarily for them that people responded. (at least in my understanding)
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Post by arietty on Jun 4, 2010 4:46:42 GMT -5
Maicde if you're talking about Vyckie's post in this thread, #30, I really don't get why you see her as favoring one over the other. I have read it carefully. I think Vyckie did a pre-emptive strike via Mags aimed at all the flack that was going to come Chandra's way from this post, from those that will say "But WE are happy, so YOU are wrong". There is even a whole blog post addressed to that position which Vyckie links to in her reply. And after that she said Chandra's response didn't help things, which it didn't. Seemed even handed to me.
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Post by nikita on Jun 4, 2010 4:49:28 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what you all are doing but I've been participating in a lively and interesting discussion about the pros and cons of homeschooling, the public versus the private sphere, and how difficult is the balance between the two. There have been strong opinions on both sides and it's been interesting to hear the different points of view. Let's not offend the precious QF homeschoolers who we're trying to reach because God knows that they're so awesome and THEIR delicate sensibilities can't be offended, but since you already grew up being treated like cr*p (Chandra), it's okay (you won't mind) if we offend you with our judgmental follow-up posts attacking YOU for YOUR views. .... But everyone else is supposed to walk on egg shells as not to offend the precious little homeschoolers who apparently can't take any sort of criticism. Yeah, go run to your mommies like you always do or better yet, go pray for us. I've not heard that a million times before. But hang on, let me get something to write this down with... There. Now: What is my opinion supposed to be? And how am I allowed to feel about it?
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Post by arietty on Jun 4, 2010 4:53:51 GMT -5
P.S. - when I mention "homeschoolers", I'm referring to the "no accountability to anyone/I'll do as I please" type homeschoolers, NOT all homeschoolers in general. I guess we all need to be careful to add an adjective to "homeschoolers". Abusive homeschoolers, neglectful homeschoolers.. I will freely admit that I have known many homeschooling families and only a tiny amount of them have I thought did well by their children academically and socially. But I am pretty critical. That's my lens when it comes to this issue. When I was a fundamentalist homeschooler my lens was, as long as they are at home things are better than the other options. I do strive to be even handed but I'm not without (shifting) biases.
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Post by nikita on Jun 4, 2010 5:16:58 GMT -5
Sorry. I should probably be sleeping...
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Post by Vyckie D. Garrison on Jun 4, 2010 7:33:13 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this and I realize that mags response to me re: Chandra's story is probably based on the assumption that every idea expressed in the NLQ stories must be the official position ~ or at least implicitly endorsed by NLQ ~ otherwise, I would have insisted that it be edited out before posting.
So when Chandra writes, "I believe that I was homeschooled to keep from telling the truth. The truth about my father, the truth about the movement, the truth about the abuse and neglect that is sadly a way of life for the vast majority of homeschooled children" ~ I can see where mags would get the idea that No Longer Quivering believes the vast majority of homeschooled children are abused and neglected.
I really should add some sort of disclaimer on the blog ~ because in truth, it's been my "policy" to give guest bloggers A LOT of leeway ~ to feel free to tell their own stories in a way which they feel is honest from the heart ~ in fact, I encourage writers not to try to adapt their writing to suit the NLQ audience ~ especially considering that their is such diversity here, it really would be impossible to make everybody happy. I do very little by way of editing the stories which are submitted to NLQ ~ mostly only for grammar or other technical issues ~ because I much prefer the stories to be authentic representations of the writer's experience and perspective rather than conforming to some NLQ-approved agenda.
So, for what it's worth ~ mags (and everybody else) ~ I can understand why you might get the idea that NLQ is anti-homeschooling ~ but really, we're just here relating our Quiverfull experiences honestly from our own personal perspectives and perceptions.
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Post by freefromtyranny on Jun 4, 2010 8:21:26 GMT -5
Never once have I ever have known of a family that had a homeschooled kid in care.
I think Chandra has targeted the wrong enemy.
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Post by rosa on Jun 4, 2010 9:24:17 GMT -5
Nikita, I don't see how a requirement of yearly public-site testing and a social worker interview would cause anyone who isn't already living in a compound to go join one. I mean, here's my experience as a mainstream mom: My kid goes to the doctor about once a year; it was more when he was preverbal, a little less for ages 4-5. The intake nurse asks me standard questions including "are there guns in the home" "Does anyone smoke around the child". She also directs questions to him, and I'm sure she would notice if he was acting like his answers were false or constrained. He's starting school this year, so we went to the Early Childhood Development Center and did a school-readiness check. I was present for part of it and part of it was an interview/written test in another room. Every day at daycare he's around trained adults who are mandatory reporters of abuse; every day in public school he will be around mandatory reporters; once he starts school he will also have free and mostly confidential access to a counselor. He will take standardized tests every year.
Now, religious parents are definitely not considered inherently abusive by the public schools. There are Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists and Muslim families in our public schools here, and while it's possible someone is asking them uncomfortable question, their kids are not being taken away from them or prevented from practicing their religion - the JW kids opt out of all the parties and other parts of school their parents don't approve of. A lot of the Muslim girls wear head coverings and leave class for footwashing and prayer. I am sure that in, for instance, Missouri, fundamentalist parents are assumed to be good parents. So why is asking a homeschool family to undergo even 1/100th of the scrutiny that regular families do so oppressive?
I wouldn't advocate for making home schooling illegal (and I agree with maicde, at least in the United States the chances of that happening are nil.) And of course we don't have a system in place that completely stops child abuse. But having no accountability at all is ridiculous, and that's the goal of some of the most vocal homeschool groups.
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Post by freefromtyranny on Jun 4, 2010 9:54:06 GMT -5
I mean, here's my experience as a mainstream mom: My kid goes to the doctor about once a year; it was more when he was preverbal, a little less for ages 4-5. The intake nurse asks me standard questions including "are there guns in the home" "Does anyone smoke around the child". She also directs questions to him, and I'm sure she would notice if he was acting like his answers were false or constrained. He's starting school this year, so we went to the Early Childhood Development Center and did a school-readiness check. I was present for part of it and part of it was an interview/written test in another room. Every day at daycare he's around trained adults who are mandatory reporters of abuse; every day in public school he will be around mandatory reporters; once he starts school he will also have free and mostly confidential access to a counselor. He will take standardized tests every year. You just described almost every foster child in the system.
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Post by chbernat on Jun 4, 2010 10:20:59 GMT -5
Um, wow. I knew my story (and strong and CONTROVERSIAL opinions) were hot-button topics but wow. I didn't expect such strong responses from both sides. You know, perhaps some disclaimers here are in order. First off, I am a reactionist by nature and extremely impulsive. I have really, really strong opinions on homeschooling (obviously) and sometimes those opinions come off being misread. It was not my intention with my statement that "the vast majority of homeschooled children" are abused to illicit such a strong emotional response. Whew! Live and learn I suppose. In my neck of the woods, in the Heartland, I am a part of the Bible Belt. And in my neck of the woods, and in my own perception of my reality, neglect and abuse IS occuring in the vast majority of cases. However, I should have NOT placed such a strong statement in my story. It was most definitely an over-generalization. Apologies. And apologies also to those whom my writing style offended. Though unwilling to change that (that's who I am), its certainly not my GOAL in life to offend others. Just raise awareness and get people to be open-minded enough to think logically about why they believe what they do. Now, would I like to see homeschooling outlawed? Please don't get your panties in a bunch, but yes. I am going to school to be a public school teacher right now and yes, I believe that even in the best homechool situations, there are significant issues that arise as far a child not having access to all elements that compose a well-rounded education. Even if the academia is good, they are AT HOME. Taking your highschooler to a few places during the week is not a significant amount of time to say that they are "well socialized." And if they are well-socialized, being run hither and thither, then where does the time fit in for studying? Please understand me. I am NOT, by any means, suggessting that homeschool families are like MINE. Believe me! My family was bad and rotten to the core and very, very extreme in all cases of its abuse, neglect, etc. etc. But because we were leaders for 12 years in this movement, I did see elements of those same types of dysfunctions among other homeschooling families. Now, having said that, yes. There are dysfunctional families all the way around. No matter where you place your child in a school setting, there is no perfect solution. I just happen to think that homeschooling, no matter how "good" or "bad" it is, is the worst alternative for a child and should be considered a last resort after all other schools have failed. As I stated eariler, we live in a broken world. I understand that for every bad case of homeschooling out there, that someone else can point me to ten or so cases of bullying and abuse in the public/parochial system. Listen, this is what I would to see: More Constitutional rights for children, no matter the school system, no matter the age. From babies in the womb, to foster care children, to school age kids, they all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I would be very happy if the current homeschooling laws in all 50 states were revamped and more strict regulations and mandatory standardized testing implemented. If a homeschooled child didn't pass with a 75% or greater then they would need to be enrolled into a school. This would also put a fire under the parents to ensure that their kids were learning. Though it might not, and surely wouldn't, solve the socialization dilemma, it would scare enough parents off of the bandwagon to probably go ahead and enroll them in a structured school setting. But if it became illegal, I would also love that. Not all social problems can be changed overnight. It does give me alot of cause for alarm whenever homeschooling parents get up and arms and grab those pitchforks whenever there is mention of more legislation and regulation. It should cause the rest of us to stop and say, "What's going on in that home that they are so afraid of being caught?" My parents were one of the fiercest defenders of zero regulation. So whatever all that means...I confess I was a mixed bag of emotions yesterday! Completely unprepared for such a strong response! Whew! Nothing like the school of hard knocks! Oh well. Story of my life! Blessings yall!
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Post by freefromtyranny on Jun 4, 2010 10:39:06 GMT -5
Now, would I like to see homeschooling outlawed? Please don't get your panties in a bunch, but yes. I am going to school to be a public school teacher right now and yes, I believe that even in the best homechool situations, there are significant issues that arise as far a child not having access to all elements that compose a well-rounded education. Good. I'm glad you are joining the real world. Talk to us again in 5 years. Do you hear yourself? How is socialization and education accomplished at ratios of 1:20 better than socialization and education accomplished at ratios of 1:6-12 better? I hear you saying "Public school is better because it's public school. That's an odd assertion. Why? Do you have statistics to back this up or are you making this statements based on what you feel was better for you personally?
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Post by kisekileia on Jun 4, 2010 11:00:13 GMT -5
I did foster care for 10 years and had (still do) lots of foster mom friends and never once did I ever have myself or know of a family that had a homeschooled kid in care. I think Chandra has targeted the wrong enemy. That's because the homeschooling parents who abuse don't get caught.
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