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Post by hopewell on Oct 19, 2009 10:54:43 GMT -5
Welcome Frank! You're a true hero!! One of the things that keeps me from either being an "ex" Christian or tipping into insanity is the image of the "Gospel Walnut" in the Calvin Becker trilogy! I take the good and ignore the rest in Fran and Edith's works. I have never been "sold out" like many and in fact, have never truly been a hard-core fundamentalist, in part because of the "perfection" required and epitomized in "the day" by Edith and today by the uber-perfect Christian Mommy bloggers.
I think Crazy for God, the Quiverfull Book and NLQ blog are at the forefront of try to stop the Madness, the isolation, the kid collecting and neglecting, the return to marriage as enslavement for women, etc. Every Church in America should be reading these and ignoring Rick Warren's vapid junk.
To most American's "homeschool" is synonymous with the Duggars and other "over-sheltered, totally isolated and UN or at least UNDER-educated broods of oddly dressed children." For those of us who chose homeschool to LIBERATE our kids from warehousing in public school this makes it a really, really hard sell to families. When the typical homeschool co-op or "group" requires a 3 page [or longer] "Statement of Faith" that makes membership in the Nazi party seem liberal that also is a challenge. Since I am still very much a Christian, albeit a pretty darned liberal one, I hate that Vision Forum, Gothard and such are the "Face" of homeschool, of Christian family life, etc.
VF, Gothard, the whole Q'full scene are far more similar to FLDS and other cults than they are to my faith and how I live it.
I'm glad Frank and Vicki that you are such tireless workers in the fight against this asinine "culture war".
I must be truthful though and add, that I do not understand why my kids can be taught in public school the basics of any faith except Christianity. I think fair is fair--if you're going to teach Native American beliefs, Muslin beliefs and countless others, than Christianity should also be presented in similar, respectful manner. Not an evangelizing manner. I do not think it is appropriate for my kid or any other to pray in school, and this not being a totalitarian nation, I see no need to recite a poem as an oath or "pledge" either and couldn't care less if the "under God" is in it or not! I don't see what ANYONE's sex life [straight gay or otherwise] needs to be discussed before middle school either. Some kids have two Moms or two Dads--so what? Some live with their Great Aunt or a former step-parent. Big deal! lol [Oh what a big deal for some!!!]. And, I don't care if my kids read Darwin's work and study it in biology--studying it lets them make an informed decision as to whether they believe it, the Bible, the Big Bang or the "who give's a rat's #ss therory" of how the world began.
I know I rambled a lot here, but I am very much Frank and Vicki's work!!
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Post by hopewell on Oct 1, 2009 9:53:14 GMT -5
I don't understand asking a pastor if you can leave a Church. Walk out. Don't go back. If you are friends or long time members, then of course courtesy would dictate saying "Thank you for all you've done, but we're heading in a new direction."
Your post makes me glad I let my daughter go back to public school. She wanted to do homeschool so I let her, then wanted to go back so I let her go back. I can see plus/minus of both, but I felt at 13 it was her life and her choice.
I felt for you as I read your post! I was just like you as a 14 year old my life was basketball [although I never had courage enough to try out for the team], my bike my music [band and the classical and jazz and Beatles albums I loved]. Although I hated most of high school for the stupid classes and enforced boredom, I loved being with my friends, being in band, being on the debate team. My daughter went back for friends and to try to be a cheerleader--her dream. I can't imagine what you went thru having your whole life negated.
So much of what you wrote about is why I watch "18 kids and Counting" and look at the four eldest Duggar girls as indentured servants. Your story should be required reading for parents.
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Post by hopewell on Sept 15, 2009 15:07:14 GMT -5
This post is so, so true! I was "raised by liberal wolves" and became a Christian in my late 30s. Naturally wanted to raise my kids "differently." We've homeschooled and gone to public school and Christian School. Now both are in public school. The things Christians "fear" are stuff like having your kid read "Heather Has Two Mommies" in kindergarten [one of the most boring books ever] having to explain how you CAN have 2 Mommies or having people say the Bible is just a book. I've found the public schools we've attended--even a very urban one-- had mostly "middle of the road" teachers, no radical agendas, just rampant dumbing down of all curriculua.
I've also watched families with a "bunker" mentality--kids never play with anyone not in the familie's home Church etc. The listen to Focus on the Family as though Jim Dobson was on Mount Siani giving the 11--21st Commandments. The believe all the hype about "secular humanism" which most educated people can take with a large dose of salt.
I think your story has shown that for many the hyped fears become the reality, the "home Church" or Church is the total extra-family existence for an intellectually-starved, overworked, under nourished woman. It's the only support network. When that's all you have you must desperately trust it--even in the face of illogic. Sad, so very, very sad.
I almost took the Home Church, route. We were, briefly, in a homeschool sports group. I noticed all were in this home Church. Although I was a single mom since it was via adoption I was invited--I could be company for the one widow I guess. Something didn't "smell" right to me. We didn't go back. Now I know why--QF, Patriarchy, Vision Forum--these people and their foreign language of names and books I'd never heard of [strange that a librarian hasn't heard of some of them!] set off too many warning bells.
I feel for the women who, though they can hear those bells, smell that smell, are to scared to get out. That the true sign you are in a cult. You are more frightened of leaving the false security of controling people than to face the fearful unknown of freedom.
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Post by hopewell on Sept 4, 2009 9:27:46 GMT -5
[Yes, I'm posting on this again!! ] Getting the word out about the lies the Duggars are living in front of the camera is very important. I have been a frequent poster at Television Without Pity's forum for the Duggar's "18 Kids and Counting" but was banned last week for suggesting it wasn't a good thing to call Jesus "Jeebus"...whatever... new forums emerge all the time to air the obvious "gloss" Jim-Bob puts on his family's beliefs. The Duggar's have added another QF family, the Bates, to their show. They have just had their 17th--and the mother had a very truamatic birth experience if some of the TWOP posts are to be believed--mostly the posts were based on Jim-Bob's niece, Amy, posting about Kelly Bates medical problems. They have just shown the Duggars, another QF family and the Bates all come together to build a huge addition for the Bates house. Like the Duggars on their very first special, the Bates are apparently uncorrupted by fame and tv dollars. Three "big happy families" really, really enjoying "fellowship" and building the house. The kids are constantly put in danger with building materials, tools, and too many kids to be safely watched. All this reminds me of is FLDS--but with one wife. I read somewhere that the Duggars grind wheat and bake their own bread--one guess who does it all--the 4 oldest girls. Who does the homeschooling--the 4 oldest girls. Who does the mountain of laundry each day--the oldest girls. There are occasional facial expressions and other tiny hints [that could be totally misunderstood of course--tv viewers don't really know these people after all] that the girls are not "really" on board with this. In fact they are simply slaves. What makes slaves give the party line? Either brainwashing and or force. Like FLDS boys, the two oldest Duggar boys spent years working on the huge house they now live in. Yes, it WAS a great learning experience for them all, but the debt-free mania and building the house so cheap robbed these boys of a real education. While the Duggars do use other homeschool materials beyond the horrible "Wisdom Booklets" their kids are not "educated" in any way. They are "schooled" to the letter of the law and no more. Their musical training, while a nice extra, is not to a standard that would receive applause anywhere but the most committed Gothardite Church. [Could be the quality of the violins they buy....] The boys, while being waited on hand and foot in the house, have also been robbed of self-esteem, dignity and the knowledge they need to support the huge family looming in their futures. This is sad. The Duggars are working overtime to show their "normal" lives. What's normal here? Like I said before, when they visited a public school [with Mama wearing that breast feeding cape and "shelf" and the little baby's legs sticking out like a scary parasitic twin] NONE of the appropriately aged children went along. One of the older girls, when asked her favorite book, said [something like] "Waiting for your Price Charming" a boring book about purity. That's the best she could do??? YES! That's how restricted they are. When the school welcomed them with dancing they looked on disapprovingly. Why? Gothard hates dance and Daddy would see their faces on the tape! They do not listen to secular or CCM yet the went to meet DOLLY PARTON, boobs and all! Better yell the code word, NIKE! so the boys won't be tempted to look at her! They don't watch tv but Josh just happened to know TLC has another show, "The Cake Boss." They have a wet dry vac but take product placements of the Swiffer Wet Jet. They make their own laundry soap but on the trading chores show Jim Bob and the boys clean the bathroom with a can of scrubbing bubbles bath cleaner!! They don't listen to CCM, but I swear when one of the girls was practicing the piano with the baby strapped to her she was playing a contemporary Praise song. What IS it like to grow up in this zoo? What's it like to live in a mansion but have to wear used shoes and eat garbage from the frozen food isle at Aldis? What's it like to be constantly surrounded 6 little uncontrollable brothers running, fighting, screaming, peeing their pants [it was actually shown on tv!!]? HOW do they learn anything from their lessons? When do they get one-on-one attention? NEVER! When one little guy of about 4 was allowed to go to the MEN'S bathroom ALONE in the Newark airport he got lost. Mom and Dad had no idea he was missing. He was comforted by his big sister. This is not "normal." We have seen the littlest boy in bed with his big sister--his obvious real "Mom" if you will. How about charting everyone's periods in public view? Never meeting kids your own age who aren't similarly indoctrinated? Never playing a real sport--just broomball?? And then having to live with the whole country watching you on tv? Weird? Yes! Unhealthy? ABSOLUTELY. I've posted this a few other places, but I believe Michelle births them and that's is IT. I think she did this to please her hubby but did not really want all these "blessings." Unless it's just bad editing, she does NOTHING for her children. The girls do it all. How can she look herself in the eye? She had a fun, normal childhood. J-B had a normal, if poor, childhood. How can they see this as good? I think it's simple: they don't give a rat's a__ about anything except the money and fame. I think, way back in the day, when they did the first special they were 100% sold on QF and Gothard, but guess what? Fame corrupts. Much easier to have the tv cameras in than try to earn enough money to support this huge family! ON TWOP boards they discuss endlessly potential courtships of the girls. My bet is it'll be a long time before anyone devout enough comes along. If an older girl married Michelle Duggar would have to do actual work in her own home and raise her own kids. Shock! Jim Bob wants the tv thing to continue because he hasn't got a prayer of feeding all those kids any other way! I get angry when I think of them influencing other families to do it "God's Way" to push out child after child with no thought of how to NURTURE, Encourage , EDUCATE [not just impart wisdom to] all these kids. I wonder if someone out bid TLC by offering Jim-Bob a vasectomy if he'd take the money and call it God's will???
In a sick, sick way, I can't wait for the first kid to leave and write a tell-all blog or book. With 18 kids there is no way a whole bunch of them won't have mega-problems from growing up in a mega-family. The Duggars are the family equivalent of a CAFO [confined animal feeding operation]. Financially they are much better off on tv, but I think they truly did sell their soul for that $.
I have quit watching. I serioulsy think we need to start an escape fund for these kids. They will need scholarships, housing, etc for years to get over their upbringing.
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Post by hopewell on Sept 1, 2009 13:47:17 GMT -5
I have written about the Duggars at my blog about the problems I see with their "faith" and the ways it limits their kids. I also post often at the TWOP board on their show.
There is nothing "normal" about ignoring birth control and acting "surprised" at the arrival of number 19 for God's sake. In the 50s we had big "happy" CATHOLIC families, [ever read the book FOURTEEN by Stephen Zanichkowsky?? It's much more realistic!] Now its QF. I think of young girls growing up in divorced or single parent situations [like my own daughter] and seeing this and thinking it's a solution to feeling lonely or unloved Then I think of Carrie and Benaiah and the others who don't make the news. Every time I pass an old mobile home out in the country [we live in the boonies] I wonder--QF? I used to see a family in WalMart where we used ot live that had all the earmarks of QF--bad clothes, awful hairstyles little Laura on Little House, Dad in charge, boys in work boots and FEAR of Daddy written all over them. He never let them stop and look at clothing or toys. I saw them enough times [we must have been paid at about the same day or something] to know that the kids ALWAYS looked miserable. Mom never came along, or I never saw her, but there was always a little one or two in tow or carried by a sibling. Misery was all they seemed to know.
I hope Michelle Duggar comes thru this pregnancy fine--I just hope her uterus comes out with the baby! I think of the 4 oldest Duggar girls and they remind me of indentured servants--like the employees of the local Chinese take-out who are never, ever seen in the community except in the restaurant. THEY didn't ask to raise a zillion little brothers and sisters! Grossly unfair, but they have to clean everything, cook everything, wipe everything, change all the diapers, HOMESCHOOL their siblings. Oh yes and when they get married at a very young age they get to do it all over again. I know CPS won't get involved--they really do have worse families to go after I suppose, but it would be interesting to see what would happen.
As much as I've enjoyed their show [and I have] I think TLC needs to pull the plug on it for much the same reasons they need to end JK+8--exploitation. A special or two--ok, but the Duggars have shelved their beliefs to appear more "mainstream"--gone is the family uniform, gone are the ugly cotton jumpers, and there's way less talk about faith. Why? Those things made them "odd." Now they appear more "normal"--just a normal family that happens to have 18 kids and live in an airplane hanger that's been professionally decorated. Oh yes, they're debt free.
Never mind that the little bits we've seen of homeschooling were beyond chaotic; never mind that on a visit to a school none of the appropriately aged kids were along; never mind that they exploited Grandpa's last sad days AND his funeral for financial gain. Never mind that Gothard is against contemporary music--they went to meet Dolly Parton! Never mind the built in wet/dry vacuum system in the house--they take a product placement on the show for Swiffer Wet Jet . On and on and on. TLC--cut off the money.
FYI--I've also blogged about Nancy Campbell. She is super Creepy with that other-worldly voice. It's like listening to a cross cultural seance.
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Post by hopewell on Aug 1, 2009 12:51:27 GMT -5
I know bullying can be very intense--my own son really suffered in one school. We've done it all--Christian School, public school, homeschool. Small school, big school, urban and rural. It's all about the staff and the parents. It's sad that at 14 your parents took you away from your "world." My daughter is 13 and, by HER choice, spent last year at home. This year she wants to go back to school and I am "letting" her because I think she is old enough to decide this for herself. I stress that high school has to be all public school or all homeschool though! I am anxious to hear the rest of your story!
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Post by hopewell on Jul 27, 2009 15:19:31 GMT -5
Irene Specer's Shattered Dreams--it IS about a version of FLDS, but the epilogue was so on point for Quiverfull [and just about any cultish group].
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Post by hopewell on Jul 27, 2009 14:21:05 GMT -5
I'm glad this made it to local tv. People see the Duggars and their huge home and tv income and think it's "normal." I'm afraid Carrie is closer to normal and people need to see it. I'm still sad about the whole thing, but glad it's getting some light shed on it. I don't expect anything to come of the investigation though.....
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Post by hopewell on Jul 10, 2009 8:35:36 GMT -5
" single parenthood is EASY compared to living in the oppressive, crazy-making atmosphere ~ the prison which our home used to be"
As a single parent thru adoption, I am always stunned at the CRAP women will take, even true abuse, just to keep their kids in a 2 parent home! I agree that MOST OF THE TIME at two parent home is best, but not always. Your kids show that beautifully in their reactions to their "new" loving freedom!
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the verse say: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and WHEN HE IS OLD, he will not depart from it"?? I don't see the part where "training" immediately takes effect and saves us from teenagers!! lol....
My kids lived with abuse before adoption, and sometimes I feel I was abusive in just learning to be a parent to a 7 and 8 year old--their previous trauma was often hell to deal with. I know first hand the comfort you feel in seeing your kids express an opinion! I have had to deal with the opposite problem--a boy who'd never had ANY rules, structure, routine, etc until age 7 when he entered an orphanage. Happily, my daughter had been "parented" a little more by their mother and the caregivers in the orphanage. I appreciate that children do need NORMAL "guidance" like "don't hit" and that there are time when a look from Mom SHOULD be able to stop ANYTHING!! lol.... I don't agree with Rick Boyer's "basic German Shepard" training and am happy to see even Michael Pearl saying his kids were maybe even a little "too sheltered." I have taken bits and pieces from the Pearls, from Dr Spock, from other parents and even therapy to help my son gain some ability to respect authority.
Anyhoo, verying off on a tangent here..... Great post and sounds like you have kids worth knowing!
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Post by hopewell on Jul 9, 2009 10:07:47 GMT -5
"My father's motto was, "You don't marry the one you love, you love the one you marry." Interestingly enough, he got to choose the one he married and he married her because he loved her. " It's interesting that so many P/QF parents seem to think denying their children the same, normal choices in life that they had, is somehow making them more Godly, when it just creates resentment! The Poster Child Family of QF--the Duggars--are a great example. The Mom was a CHEERLEADER! Your story has a much happier ending then some--you parents, too, saw the legalism for what it was and left. I'm sure too many others see it, but won't leave--won't "ruin their testimony." I think you and your sister were RIGHT--no way is a 20 year old "running away from home." That's ridiculous. Personally, I hope there's a QF girl who leaves home by enlisting in the Marines or Army on her 18th birthday! Think about it--career, pants, constantly with other women AND men her age!! I suspect most who leave just walk out the door and never look back though. I'm happy you and your sister got your family "back" and that your marriage is a normal one!!! I look forward to exploring your scrapbooking blog--the pictures and pages you included in your post were great. I remember those God awful jumpers. I was overweight and in a bad marriage back them. I looked at myself in the mirror once and the stupid thing made my rear look so huge I thought I was that mythical half person/half horse creature!!
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Post by hopewell on Jul 7, 2009 8:33:55 GMT -5
This is very, very interesting. I remember visiting my friend when she had only 2 kids, but was praying for more [she left after 4]. She was frantic the whole time--I knew her "when" in PUBLIC high school, when she wore jeans, but still attended the most conservative church in town. I helped talk her out of going to Bob Jones U in favor of a nearby Christian College that wasn't THAT conservative. She was constantly correcting her perfectly normal 3 and 1 year old saying "remember, you must obey Mommy" and she'd take them straight to an engraved plaque of the 10 Commandments to show them HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER..... Her husband, a doctor, would show up at any time day or night [to be fair this wasn't his fault--he was in the ER and couldn't leave on time a lot] he would bring home drug addicts and others who weren't saved and expect a dinner to appear on the table to show "hospitality." When she was nursing, she'd have to take both little girls to a bedroom and eat there [understandable if it was a man!!] I've never gotten over how "jumpy" she was all the time. It was an eye-opening experience for me. She talked about her husband like he was a God and "idolatry" went thru my mind throughout the experience. Her husband spoke to her kindly, but like she was a child. She was 1st in her high school class and a National Merit Semi-finalist!! On another visit a family from their "home church" came. They were so poor---living in a total dive and he was doing home repair work. They were worried--they only had his old work pick up and were driving illegally with 4 kids [babies, toddlers] in the front and no way to buy a minivan. I wish I could have known them better--and wish I could have done as you suggested. I can't imagine what they must have eaten. This is such an overwhelming experience if you have not grown up in it.
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Post by hopewell on Jul 2, 2009 13:48:31 GMT -5
" A beautiful boy who sacraficed his life for his Momma's He lived his life to sacrafice and praise the Lord and he has in his short life brought others to Christ and save lost souls leading them to his father in heaven. I am honored to have such a son who gave his life for me.."
No lady, this innocent child died because YOU his GOD-fearing Mother would not heed the God-sent warning signs and stand up to your "Amazing" God-head husband and INSIST on real medical care to SAVE THIS CHILD'S LIFE and protect yourself at his birth!!! I'm not buying this crap any longer. I know she is living in a cult-induced trance, but good grief!! Could ANYONE swallow this crap??? This child gave his life to support the idiocy of his father and the blind marital submission/obedience of his mother. End of story. No sugary coating can change that. I'm starting to not have any sympathy at all left for this woman. No one, at any point in this disaster, made a choice of one life or the other. My sympathy now is only for those poor kids--what will happen to them??
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Post by hopewell on Jul 1, 2009 14:07:20 GMT -5
Ok, I've seen it all. It was bad enough to see Grandpa Duggar's "casket cam," but now people rocking a dead baby and his siblings giving him gifts??? Has anyone considered how horrifying this experience might be for those 8 precious living children??To sit "adoring" their "radiant" mother and her "amazing" husband after having to give gifts to a dead sibling? This family needs some serious counseling--and NOT by a QF/FIC Pastor. By a REAL pschologist or psychiatrist.
I will offer a real prayer of praise that Carri is back home where she wants to be, but please tell me attention is being seriously given to the potential psychological damage done to those kids!
QUESTION UNRELATED TO CARRI: Will any of you who commented that you are "no longer q'ing" be writing your stories? It is very interesting to read about this. At one point in my life, I would have jumped off this cliff if I'd connected with the "right" man. Thank God, that man never found me!!
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Post by hopewell on Jun 30, 2009 10:50:43 GMT -5
"Can you imagine the catastrophic upheaval and trauma this has been for all those very sheltered beautiful children? "
I think of the oldest girls having to do it all and get mad at Mark all over.
I imagine their Daddy is watching the state budget debate in Indiana to see if the Child Welfare Workers are laid off today. I sincerely hope the investigation into this case began with her admission to the hospital. Yes, that would be unbelievably traumatic for those poor kids and for Carri. It takes a real mess to be worthy of removing the kids, but it might just scare the Dad into some sanity. [FYI--my kids were taken from the birth mother, so I do know about the stress this causes and what it can do to kids. No, I don't really think these children deserve to lose a loving, if seriously misguided Mom]
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Post by hopewell on Jun 29, 2009 14:36:02 GMT -5
So if "all" of her organs are safe does that mean next year may feature a new "blessing" or is she out of the baby business??
Please, Please, Please write the letter for Mark. It's so needed.
I remember a friend who started out QF [but left after 4 kids] writing of the birth of her 2nd by C-section "I felt some discomfort as they were...." I know she meant "I was screaming in pain..." She was lucky. Her husband IS an MD and stopped the madness. Mark, I'm sure would praise God and start a new baby within weeks....sick, sick, sad, sad, sad....
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Post by hopewell on Jun 29, 2009 14:22:59 GMT -5
This Man, Mark, must SMELL the police coming. Nothing but lies. I'm sure poor Carri is using what's left of her strength to "praise" him for his excellent decisions in this matter, too. Sick. Just sick. I'm still praying for Carri and the kids though.
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Post by hopewell on Jun 26, 2009 12:12:04 GMT -5
rebecca--wow! This is what I have seen of women sucked into this movement. As a single mom daring to homeschool, I have met "Christian" judgment at every turn--always from the Moms. Fear and more fear. Fear that gets worse as their self-esteem gets worse. I am glad that there are outlets like this board for women to sound off on. It HAS to help people to think out their decision. It's easy to say "oh, that won't happen to us or me" but getting smacked in the face with some TRUTH is always beneficial--eventually. I applaud you for talking frankly.
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Post by hopewell on Jun 26, 2009 8:55:32 GMT -5
"she is to submit and if it results in her death, then she will be rewarded in paradise."
This reminds me of the Muslim suicide bombers--dying in order to be rewarded with all those virgins they'll be given in heaven. And, about as realistic.
Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Mark will GROW UP after this "stunt" robbed him of another Arrow for his precious Quiver and he will start to care for his God-given wife, loving her truly as Jesus loved his Church--not just "rewarding" her with diapers?? I doubt it.... I feel for the oldest girls. They are Mommys full-time right now and for some time to come. Since it's summer at least they may not have to do all the homeschooling too. Maybe Mark's Dad can introduce him to the "want ads" and he can find a job....oh, that's right, a job is not for him. He has to spend his time Glorifying God and being "Head" of his family. I truly believe this birth went the way it did because this man wouldn't, couldn't pay for a hospital. He won't get up and WORK to support his family. Now the taxpayers get to foot the bill. Poor Carri--having to "keep sweet" [woops, my bad! Wrong cult] for her precious husband. How could you ever recover under such "loving" care as she'll likely get from him.
I am a Christian, but this type life makes me puke. Jesus did not love his Church in this way. I know there are white collar professionals [or former-] in QF, but most seem to be men the world would truthfully call "losers."
Carri--with your sewing talent you could support your kids yourself. My cousin, a decorator, always needs people to do custom pillows and drapes. Alterations are another good one. Beauty Pageant outfits, dance cosutmers and custom or heirloom baby clothes all make good money. Toss the bum out and fire up the sewing machine. You'll be much, much happier than bowing and scarping to him! AND, your kids can have health insurance from the state. Homeschool is fine--it's not the problem. The hubby is. JMHO
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Post by hopewell on Jun 25, 2009 16:21:04 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll be flamed to death, bbq-d in fact, but I can't help but wonder after reading Carri's hubby's "update" how soon she'll be "expecting" again. I think given the title and tone of this blog "No Longer Quivering"] I doubt I'm the only one worried about this. She is, of course, "free" to chose that road, but I sincerely hope our Lord Closes her womb now.....
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Post by hopewell on Jun 25, 2009 11:20:56 GMT -5
Mea Culpa!! Didn't mean to incite a riot over the sanitary pads and potty cloths!! Forgive me! Let's not let this distract from the real tragedy this family has endured.
Sadly, I think the husband has really, really done something regrettable in taking down the blog [if he did, perhaps the police ARE now involved and it was pulled for that reason]
I DO think poor Carri means well and gives her all to her family. I just think their lifestyle is "extreme" in ways that can make them an easy target. From the photos the children look VERY well cared for.
Apologies to those I upset.
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Post by hopewell on Jun 24, 2009 12:55:14 GMT -5
I have read and re-read this sad, sad story. The horror of this "stunt birth" will not leave me. It's taken me days just to write about this. I live not too far from the family. Why do the extreme right seem to romanticize "the old days" and add to that the bizarre notion that doctors are evil? Here's what I mean--women should go back to "traditional" roles, forget birth control ever came about, ignore advances in birthing safety and infant and maternal health that women "back in the day" would have killed for [pardon the expression]. So would women all over the 3rd world. Somehow it's better to die or have child die than go to an "ungodly physician." Why do I think this has more to do with a very cheap husband than anything else? I read what is left of poor Carri's blog--does her husband think that deleting it makes it really go away?? The courts may make it all come back out by going thru the blogging host or quotes in venues like this. What an idiot this man is in so many ways. YES, they are entitled to believe what they want, but this child died do to willful parental negligence. Even though poor Carris seems a genuinely loving Mom doing what she believed was best, this "stunt"shows they deserve to be arrested and the kids placed [hopefully] with loving relatives who have not drunk the quiverfull kool-aid. Her blog was simply pathetic--thanking her husband, the coming child's FATHER, for rewarding her with new diapering supplies?? Gag! And, I'm sorry, "Potty cloths?" Surely these are too gross for words?? And her kids "love" picking out pretty patterned cloth for them?? EEEEWW. I know some women love them, and I have two squirreled away for DIRE emergencies, but WHY would we want to go back to washing Sanitary pads?? Who's Great-Grandmother would ever believe this great "development?" And the "traditional gender role" thing. Ask Abigail Adams about it--I'm sure she say they are NUTS. The Proverbs 31 Women worked and provided for her family--she didn't just kiss hubby's feet and make do with next-to-nothing! Why must a husband be praised more often than a potty-training toddler? Is he that "simple"?? Off his meds?? What gives with THAT?? I looked at the photos of the family again Monday night and wanted to cry. Just like the early Duggar family shows, here are the girls in homemade Burkha-ish jumpers. And, having to model them at 4-H?? Oiy! Just tape "FREAK" on their foreheads, poor things!! And now they are likely raising those siblings because of Dad's criminal stupidity. I am honestly praying for this poor lady as she attempts to recover, but I sincerely hope she had to have a hysterectomy and that hospital security keeps hubby away. That poor little baby never had a chance--now I'm sure he's their "guardian angel" praying for them up in heaven or something. Probably her Darling Protector/ hubby will need his "helpmeet" back too soon. [And, please, WHY is that word so beloved??? "Helpmeet? " When are we living? The 17th Century??] And WHY with all these kids is this man not out there working? Somewhere I read his Dad paid their bills?? Oh h--- No! Get off you lazy _____- and get a JOB. Indiana Department of Child Services--go investigate this family NOW! I fully support homeschooling, but these kids need all the intervention they can get. This makes me so mad! FYI--in double-checking today her Carri-Me-Away blog has been totally removed.
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